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I have a sister in law who has it bad, real bad, hands like claws bad. I hate to bring this up but she get a topical cream she uses on her hands and shoulders. It is a pot based cream. She functions, does housework, feeds livestock and gardens with it. Without it she cannot even dress herself.


and that works better yet for most that try it, but most refuse to go that route....


This^^^ Or taken orally in a liquid. It can be had with a low THC and high CBD (Canabidol) hybridized form that does not produce a high, but releives the pain. That, combined with some DMSO as an agent to drive the CBD into the joints is just amazing for arthritis and or gout. I have the latter, really bad.


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I have been on Celabrex for years. I justhad my knee replaced and couldnt go over a couple of days without it before i could hardly walk. If i dont take it my hands hurt bad. Ive had no issues with it knock on wood.

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"Celebrex does not work any better than all the other OTC NSAIDs"

I have read this before. I also believe some meds work better for some more than others.

The OTC stuff like Aleve has so much sodium added, does prescription naproxen have it too?

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I have several med's for arthritis. The strongest is Oxycodone (sp?). Trouble is I can't do anything if I take the strong stuff. I have taken it at night when in a lot of pain. The best over the counter med for me is Tylenol. Be careful though with Tylenol. Do too much and you die. Aspirin and Ibuprofen has no effect that I've noticed.


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Originally Posted by WayneShaw
I had a bunch of tests done to see if I have RA, but nothing was conclusive. I do have osteoarthitis.The doc put me on Plaquanil but it tore my guts up, and I quit. My joints still hurt though. My brother takes Celebrex and says he would be in bad shape without it. Aside from Aleve or Advil, what works best?


Tests for RA are usually fairly precise. You either have it or you dont. So if you haven't seen a rheumatologist see one soon because most GP's are clueless when it comes to diagnosing autoimmune diseases. Having to wait 12 months to see a specialist is nonsense. Kick up a stink or get a referal from a another specialist (if your seeing one) A referal from a specialist always holds more weight than one from a GP.

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I have been to a rheumatologist. Of the 6 or 7 blood tests that target RA, I tested "slightly" positive on one of them. That is why the doc said it isn't conclusive. I had xrays done on both hands and wrists, osteoathritis was there, but again nothing that indicated RA. I have RA in my family, that is why I had the tests done.

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I've had RA for 22 years and it can take a little time to fully develope. Mine got progressively worse over several months, and once it gots worse corticosteriods and DMARDs were my only option. NSAID's are virtually useless in moderate to severe RA. I hope for your sake it doesn't develope further because the side effects of long term use of disease modifying anti rheumatic drugs can be a real pain in the butt.

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I understand. My Mother had RA for a couple decades before she passed, and one of my older brothers has it now, been fighting it for several years now. It aint pretty. That's why I went for the tests.

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Wayne, my wife has had RA for about five years. She could barely get out of bed in the AM, had lost a good bit of weight, was EXTREMELY tired all the time and her joints were really hurting.

She went to our family doctor who is a family friend. He couldn't pinpoint any cause and I think he gave her something for the pain.

I went on the 'net and in researching osteoarthritis, I came upon a battery of questions to help determine if one has RA (a completely different animal from osteoarthritis). I started going down the battery of questions and she "hit" on practically every one.

I called the Doc and told him what I had found. He had her come back in and he ran the tests but they came back negative. At that point he referred her to a rheumatologist.

When we went to see the rheumatologist, he started asking questions and they were almost word for word the questions I had found on the 'net. He confirmed that she had RA, some osteoarthritis and Fibromyalgia. He started her on methotrexate at a low dose, then later he upped the dose and she got better but the RA was still active. After a few months on methotrexate he prescribed weekly Enbril shots. As I understand it, Doctors are required to try methotrexate first before prescribing one of the "biologics". I believe she's also taking Mobic for the fibromyalgia.

UNBELIEVABLE turnaround within a week of me giving her the first injection! Now she is almost back to normal. She still gets a little fatigued at times but she can do practically everything she wants to do. She never really never learned how to swim well as a kid so she decided she wanted to take the swimming course at a local junior college. She liked it so much that she is now swimming laps several times a week.

Pain meds may help with the pain but it won't stop your immune system from attacking your joints. According to her rheumatologist, my wife's RA has gone into remission based on semi-annual X-rays. He said her blood "sed rate" is very good at this point.

If you check out the RA questionaire on various RA websites and you get several "hits", you need to get that referral to a rheumatologist as soon as possible to arrest the joint damage.

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Actually there is one thing that does help - Bourbon. It doesn't kill the pain, but it helps me ignore it! smile

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What I have found that has helped with my arthritis:

Quit drinking coffee.

In the morning I take 1 acetaminophen and 2 naproxin sodium. On very bad days I'll also need to take those (or 2 ibuprofen) again at night.

Pot is also an amazing pain killer.







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There's a big difference between osteoarthritis, which most of us have to deal with to some extent as we age and rheumatoid arthritis, an immune disease wherein the body's immune system attacks the joints and causes deformities of the hands, etc. NSAIDS and other meds can help control the pain but if you really have RA they won't stop joint damage or the deformities of the hand.etc. that most people associate with RA.

Search "rheumatoid arthritis symptoms" on the 'net.


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I am dealing with the same thing now. Have taken Mobic or naproxen for years and it is not doing a thing for pain. Doc Just put me through a series of prednisone and most of the pain was gone. Going to a ra for a constltation the middle of January and my gp wants me on the methotrexate. Scary with the decrease of autoimmune system and having to get tested for tb and other things pretty regularly. Can't wait to see if it helps!

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My wife's rheumatologist prescribed a prednisone pack for her when she was first diagnosed to knock down the "flare". He has since prescribed a prednisone pack for her to take if the disease decides to go active again and she has another "flare".

You also have to be really careful about being around sick folks and which immunizations you take (can't have any with live viruses,etc.) because the drugs you take reduce your own body's immune system's effectiveness even to something as simple as a common cold.

People around you should do all they can to stay healthy, i.e. getting their flu shots, washing hands when coming home from work, etc.

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One thing that needs mentioning, DMARD's like Methotrexate, Sulphasalazine or Humira as well as Prednisone all supress your immune system. You need to be careful especially if having surgery. I've had two operation while on DMARD's and ended up with infections on both occassions. My hernia operation infection was easy fixed with oral anti-biotics but my hip replacement infection (golden staph) turned out to be a real nightmare. I needed a surgical washout as well as IV anti-biotic via a PICC line for 6 weeks followed by 12 months of oral anti-biotics.
All is good now thankfully, but I doudt the infections would have occured if I wasn't on disease modifying anti-rheumatic drugs.

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Naprosyn is one of the best on joints, one of the hardest on the stomach. It's probably the least cardio toxic NSAID.

Celebrex is a Cox II NSAID, that class is more cardio toxic than
non Cox II NSAIDS, but easiest on the stomach. But, Celebrex has the best cardiac profile in class. Some, like Bextra and Vioxx, were taken off the market due to cardiac side effects. But, they were very effective on joint pain.

Trying different NSAIDS is a good idea. Changing up from time to time can help.

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Originally Posted by WayneShaw
"Celebrex does not work any better than all the other OTC NSAIDs"

I have read this before. I also believe some meds work better for some more than others.

The OTC stuff like Aleve has so much sodium added, does prescription naproxen have it too?
over the counter meds did nothing for me 200mg of celebrex is all that has helped me. My doc even had me on another RX for it but did very little so iwent back on celebrex.

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Celebrex is good stuff. It can raise blood pressure in some patients so you have to consider that. It works well for me and was better than pain killers.

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Celebrex is good stuff. It can raise blood pressure in some patients so you have to consider that. It works well for me and was better than pain killers.


opiates really do nothing for the inflammation but the NSAIDs do which is why they actually help for non RA arthritis....its also why marijuana works, on top of the pain killing properties it seems to have some pretty heavy anti-inflammatory properties and does seem to work in this case with topical application of really high quality stuff which means you get to skip the whole high thing.....not sure if its been proven yet or not if enough gets absorbed through the skin to pop positive on a piss test...

even with my knees which now should be completely out of the cartilage on the end of the femurs got relief with a combination of cannibus cream and DMSO to help draw the active stuff into the joints...

studies in other western countries have shown positive affects of pot on auto immune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis aswell with far fewer side effects as the steriod/immunosuppression route.....

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Aspercream plus DMSO helps me some, too.


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