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Rost495,
Shoot any bow you want in 60lbs and pick the one you like, it'll kill things all day long the same as a 70-90lb bow. Just make sure those broadheads are scary sharp!
I'm sure Obsession is the answer to all of archery's problems, but I would suggest you try as many bows out as possible and pick the one that feels right to you. This is the winning answer. 100% hit it on the head. The only time I offer specific bows if I know they are going to shoot fingers.
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Well...I just put in my order at the local pro-shop. I'll give you guys a review when it comes in.
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Yes, they are smooth, dead in the hand, and the feel of a cam is there, but reduced.
I'm not an engineer, so this is in blue collar terms...
Basically, the small cam is now in the inside of the large wheel, and the wheel is used like a lever to drive the cam on the draw. To me, this does make the draw smoother as the lever action of the larger wheel is less severe of a break-over than the straight large cam and idler wheel.
On the release, the cam is used to drive the outer round wheel faster and the speed is gained by speeding up the large wheel.
Make sense? Hopefully the engineers can put it in better terms.
The bow is very vertical, the riser is very straight from what we have seen over the past ten years, and does balance well, better than I expected. It feels closer to the Monster than anything else I've shot.
It was very, very quiet, quieter than anything else I shoot at the moment.
While I liked it, it's not on the must have list for 2015. I got burned on the Reezen line, so I'll wait and see what the design does for a while. Thanks for explaining that . The local dealer does not have one and I was wondering 
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Rost495,
Shoot any bow you want in 60lbs and pick the one you like, it'll kill things all day long the same as a 70-90lb bow. Just make sure those broadheads are scary sharp!
I'm sure Obsession is the answer to all of archery's problems, but I would suggest you try as many bows out as possible and pick the one that feels right to you. This is the winning answer. 100% hit it on the head. The only time I offer specific bows if I know they are going to shoot fingers. What are the specific bows for finger shooters now? 30"-31" draw/60lbmax ? Right hand. Don't need the latest/greatest, recent mfg. years ok, hopefully with a proven track record of reliability. Thanks
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Reflex Caribou if you can find one. Hoyt Vantage LTD, now called the Tribute. All can be had in 50lb to 60lb and 60lb to 70lb.
45" Axle to Axle is perfect for fingers. I wouldn't go shorter then 43" axle to axle. We have similar draw lenghts so this is coming from experience.
For guys with shorter draw lengths they can get away with an Axle to Axle around 40" give or take.
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What do you think of the Oneida's for finger shooting. I'm playing with that idea.
Some guys say they're the best, some say they're the worst due to the string angle at full draw.
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What do you think of the Oneida's for finger shooting. I'm playing with that idea.
Some guys say they're the best, some say they're the worst due to the string angle at full draw.
I have had 2 Oneida bows in the past...I loved shooting them, they were a bit noisy. They then changed ownership and redesigned the camming system. I only shot fingers with them and they were great for that purpose.
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They have been a bad design from day one. They were fast in their day but loud as hell. I see no advantage to them and they have never been proven in target archery.
They had their followers but I can't see how they could keep that following in today's archery market. To many other really good bows out there.
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I just sold 2 of the best finger bows ever built. A Hoyt Aspen Contender w/ Command Cams 50-60#, and a Hoyt Protec w/LX Pro limbs and accu-wheels......back to the OP, I shot one of the new Mathews - it shot nice but had a few quirks. The draw curve is further from the front like most newer bows and made it feel strange. The little plastic tube to keep the cables from wearing on the cam is a terrible design oversight. I wonder what a little dust in the inner rotating cam will do? Seems like a gimic and think I'll pass.
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That inner rotating cam is basically their AVS system borrowed from the Monster/Chill bows. Have never personally witnessed any issues with it.
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Obsession bows. Whisper quiet. Extremely accurate. Lightening fast. You can haverify your cake and eat it too. I'm sure you're not biased 
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Obsession bows. Whisper quiet. Extremely accurate. Lightening fast. You can haverify your cake and eat it too. I'm sure you're not biased Not at all. Have shot the No Cam. It's a step back for Mathews. The local dealer has a shop full of them. Folks come in, shoot them, and hang them right back on the shelf. Then just shake their head and walk out. For the Mathews fanboys the truth hurts. The No Cam has been a No Go around here. And this has been Mathews territory for years. Guys buying a new bow every year. Not this time
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Been shooting Hoyt since 2006. I have shot every new bow in their lineup, and they were all great. But.....I ordered the No Cam HTR.
Just enjoyed shooting it. Great draw, great backwall, great through the shot.
I wanted to test an Obsession but no dealers very close. So i decided to make the switch from Hoyt to Mathews.
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It's different in different parts of the country I guess. I'm not exactly a "fan" of Mathews. I tune lots of their bows and have had no issues. But if I had to pick a fav from their current offerings the no cam wouldnt even be in the running. I'd go chill r with 75% mods
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I wouldn't buy the No Cam even if I liked it for the simple fact that you know they are going to improve on it ... there's plenty of room for improvement with it for sure. I predict a No Cam in the near future with a bit shorter length and maybe 20 or 25 fps faster. That will be much needed if the concept is going to survive.
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Ricky, that aint gonna happen
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Well, I'm excited anyway. I haven't bought a new bow since 2004 and the first No Cams (other than the one demo per zip code) were shipped this week. Picking mine up tomorrow.
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if it trips your trigger, Pat thats all that matters. Im sure Ill have one come thru for strings and a tune at some point. Be curious to see just how much I can get out of one with quality threads on it
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I'll find out. You can't tell anything about a bow unless you shoot it hard for a little while. I've always got the old Robertson.
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