I figured I would see if this thread gets any traction. I decided to play around with my Ruger 77 and I can't find my reloading notes for loads developed for my CZ. Please share your favorite loads.
49.5 grains H4350 with a 120 grain Sierra bullet and 3.000" COL gives me a measured 59.4 KPSI and 3075 FPS out of a 24" barrel. I back that one down a grain just for luck. Should give you about 3025 and around 57 KPSI, which is a conservative load for a modern rifle.
47.5 grains H4350 behind a 129 grain Hornady bullet, 3.000" COL, gives 2951 FPS. I don't have a pressure measurement on that. Same 24" barrel.
With a Swedish milsurp, 46.5 grains RL22 gives 2824 FPS at 3.025" COL, with a 140 grain bullet, and 44 grains AA4350 gives 2793 FPS. Those are mild loads according to the books.
Here are a few loads for my FN Mauser with a 21" 1-8 twist Lilja barrel. It was chambered with a custom reamer with a shorter than average throat, so velocities will probably be a little slower in some rifles:
140 Partitions 140 Core-lokts 140 Gamekings 120 NBT 155 Mega
Scott, I'd start playing with the H4350 behind the Core-lokts and game kings. Use a CCI 200 primer if you have it. Should be easy to get them to shoot. I wouldn't worry about the partitions unless you wanted an elk load for it.
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140 Partitions 140 Core-lokts 140 Gamekings 120 NBT 155 Mega
Scott, I'd start playing with the H4350 behind the Core-lokts and game kings. Use a CCI 200 primer if you have it. Should be easy to get them to shoot. I wouldn't worry about the partitions unless you wanted an elk load for it.
I agree Partitions are not needed. I have more 140 Partitions and 155 Megas than the other bullets. I've used the Megas on deer and bobcat. If I can get the Partitions to shoot accurately, their really is no downside since the have a .490 BC and open easily. The 120 NBT is also an interesting choice because it has good BC and can be driven to 3000 fps. Close shot might make me a little nervous. I wouldn't have any worries with the Partitions.
I've tried several bullets and powders in a Model 70 FWT. From an accuracy perspective, best powders have been H4350 & H4831; best bullets - 125 & 140 Partitions, 140 Sierra BTSP.
With my wife's Tikka 6.5x55 we found some good loads in the last few months.
38 gr of H 4895 with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip was quite accurate and had mild recoil, she really liked shooting that load for practice. Speed was around 2700 fps, would make a good deer load too.
Same charge of H 4350 (43 gr I think) with both the 140 gr Hornady SST and Nosler Partition. They both hit in the same place, she noticed a bit more recoil but said it was still good. Speed should be around 2600 fps, I may do a bit more work but might not since they are both accurate and the two bullets compliment each other nicely.
H 4831 sc was a bit slow in this gun but it has worked well in previous 6.5x55's, Need to try IMR 7828 SSC in this gun still it was a stand out in my old gun with various 140's.
I finally had a chance to get out and start testing some loads. I'm using Lapua brass and CCI BR2 primers on all loads tested. Rifle is a Ruger 77 with a 22 inch barrel. Chronograph is a MagnetoSpeed V3.
120 NBT, 47 grains of H4350, 3.05 COL 2789 FPS AVG 140 Partition, 44.5 grains of H4350, 3.05 COL 2577 FPS AVG 155 Lapua Mega, 42 grains of HV100, 2.95 COL 2452 FPS AVG
All of them shot right about 1 MOA at 100 yards so good enough for hunting. I'm going to play a little more with the Partitions. I'd like to get around 2650 FPS. I'll probably load up some 140 Core-Lokts next time too.
Working loads for a free range Axis hunt June 1st.
O P I have run several CnC 140s with RL19 and IMR 4831 with excellent results in my 77 MK II. The 4831 is slower but spot on and the 19 isn't far behind in accuracy but way out in front in velocity. DRT on 4 critters but I have not stretched the range past 225 so far with my Swede. ODS
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In a ruger77 mk2 48.0gr. of imr7828 wlr primers w-w case topped with a rem. 140gr.pspcl 2655 fps avg.,In a CZ550 20.5" barrel,46.5gr. of H4831sc,w-w brass,fed210 primers,topped with a Norma 156gr. Alaskan,2525 fps ave. Both loads have worked for me.
I use 46 grains of H4350 with 140gr speer hot cor or 140gr ballistic tips in my Ruger M77. It runs from 2775 to 2800.
Great info. I'm limited to H4350 and my next plan was to work up from 44.5 in .5 increments with the NP. I'd like to stay about MOA and get 2650-2700. Your info seems to support what I was thinking.
I started using Lapua brass and the groups went to .5 to .75 from 1.25 to 1.5. I use CCI 200 primers. I use 46.5 grains H4350 with 129gr Hornady interloks. My Ruger likes the H4350. It also likes RL19 but it's harder to find than H4350.
I've decided to us 120 gr bullets to get the vel UP. At the same time I'm NOT going to HOT ROD either. My rifle is M 70 XTR Ftwt with 22" bll.
Exactly my thoughts with the first load I ever developed for my Turk Mauser. A 120gr NBT in front of 39grs of Varget makes a hole that measures .274" (if memory recalls) from three shots @ 100. My problem now is I have a box of 140gr Berger's and a box of 130gr Barnes that will probably sit on my bench till I can't find any 120gr NBT. :-)
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Groups were very erratic, I think I have a bedding issue. I'm taking it out of the factory wooden stock and dropping it back in a McMillian and will try again this weekend.
I've decided to us 120 gr bullets to get the vel UP. At the same time I'm NOT going to HOT ROD either. My rifle is M 70 XTR Ftwt with 22" bll.
Exactly my thoughts with the first load I ever developed for my Turk Mauser. A 120gr NBT in front of 39grs of Varget makes a hole that measures .274" (if memory recalls) from three shots @ 100.
My 120 NBTs are still back ordered, so I'm still waiting. I have 4350, IMR 4831, Surplus 4831 & IMR 7828 powders. IMR 4831 is my first choice but I have options.
Seems to me most load data out there for Swedes is designed for old Mausers being used. No problem getting 2800 fps safely in my M70 Fwt with 140 gr Hornady BTHP and H4831 in WW brass. Magnum Man
Seems to me most load data out there for Swedes is designed for old Mausers being used. No problem getting 2800 fps safely in my M70 Fwt with 140 gr Hornady BTHP and H4831 in WW brass. Magnum Man
IIRC both the Nolser and Barnes manuals warn that there load data is not safe in older military actions.
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My Cooper came with a test target showing 36 Gr of Imr 4064 ( a light but deadly accurate load with NP 140's as well as Sierra 140's) Have not chronographed it yet. hits the same hole (cloverleaf) at 100 yards.
I use 46 grains of H4350 with 140gr speer hot cor or 140gr ballistic tips in my Ruger M77. It runs from 2775 to 2800.
I always said I get around to load the speer bullet in one of my 10+ 6.5's. Never have tho. You have any good hard use you might add to the topic. Sorry to hijack, thought it may help other also.
That's exactly what I used to get a feel for how high I wanted to go in the 6.5. The 6.5 has a little more capacity so you should have a little wiggle room. Only applies to modern guns, and of course your gun.
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Win 70 XTR FWT: 140 Horn SP, 48 Ramshot Hunter, Lapua Brass, 3.10 OAL to kiss lands in mine. Low 2800's. 3/4" triangles. Same results with 48.5 gr powder with Win Brass.
I tried some 143 ELD-X the other day. They showed some accuracy potential. I just wasn't having a good day at the range with any rifle. One of those days.
143 ELD-X, Lapua Brass, CC Magnum primers, 3.10 AOL.
In my tikka, a stiff charge of ramshot magnum and a 140 hornady sp produced consistent sub - 3/4 moa groups. Not as much velocity as I'd hoped for and I'm all out of that powder now. Hoping to find some more.
I tried some 143 ELD-X the other day. They showed some accuracy potential. I just wasn't having a good day at the range with any rifle. One of those days.
143 ELD-X, Lapua Brass, CC Magnum primers, 3.10 AOL.
45 H4350- 2675 FPS 45.5 H4350- 2710 FPS
That should be a great Bullet at 6.5 SE speeds. Might have to grab some.
My 120 NBTs are still back ordered, so I'm still waiting. I have 4350, IMR 4831, Surplus 4831 & IMR 7828 powders. IMR 4831 is my first choice but I have options.
My 120 N BT didn't come in till JULY. By then we were having a very hot-dry Summer. Stayed that way till Oct. I didn't hunt the Swede in 2015.
Finally--I'm fixing to start load development. Got my chronograph fixed like I want it. So hopefully I'll get to make some progress the next few weeks.
Thanks to all who posted their 120-123 loads. We'll see.
To add to the loads I posted on the first page, I did some more work with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip in my wife's T 3.
47 gr H 4350 - 120 gr Ballistic Tip - W-W case - CCI 200 - 2835 fps and very accurate. This load is done and does well in Lapua cases as well, great deer load.
44 gr H 4350 - 140 gr Hornady SST - Lapua case - CCI 200 - 2669 fps and very accurate.
Working up higher with the 140 gr Partition and H 4350 and will report back. When I get my hands on some IMR 4955 I'll give it a go with the 140's, Hodgdon's data looks very good with this powder.
Hope to get a really good load with the 140 gr Partition to pair together with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip. Getting pretty close.......
Don't overlook the 140 gr Sierra GameKing in the 6.5x55
I'm not being critical. If I wanted to shoot 140 grainers, I'd look to a larger case>>more vel, flatter. Guys, not to be humorous, I can't help myself.
I have some 130 AB's, 130 Swift SII's, and some 155 Lapua Mega's loaded over RL26 right now. Got to shoot some of the Mega's and they clocked an easy 2600.. Haven't gotten to the rest of them yet. The Mega's looked very nice on paper with two just about touching, throwing the 3rd out a hair.. Very fun rifle and just seems really accurate with everything I have shot through it.
Used a Min book load of H4895 (think it was 34 grains) with a 123 AMax and 120 BT. Both shot really well, unsure of the speeds on them though.
My 6.5x55 days are behind me (maybe), but back when I thought the sun rose and set out my 1986-vintage M70 Featherweight barrel (oh why dear lord did I ever sell that rifle) I settled on 46grains IMR-4831 and the 129 Hornady spire point. Not a hot load but it served me well for many years in the deer woods and at the range. Bullets were seated out to fill the throat (it was throated like a Swedish Mauser), but still fit in the magazine. I could depend on MOA accuracy whenever and wherever.
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Currently working with 140 interlock and h4350. Seem to have have two nodes showing stellar accuracy but both are above published maximums. I went about a grain beyond the top node (which is the more accurate one) and am comfortable that I'm in safe territory
Does anyone know where to find load data for the Scenar-L in 136 grain? I downloaded the VihtaVouri 8th edition reloading guide, but it doesn't have any 136 grain data at all.
I had some 142 gr NABLR's that I use in my 264 WM. Loaded up some with IMR4350 at 45.5 gr. 4 shot group measured .330 @ 100 yards. I'll load up some more and run them over the magnetospeed and see what they're doing. Regardless, I'd say I found a load that should work.
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That Mcwoody came out NICE! Interested to see how the load works for you DF. I'm hoping to get back out and run it over the chrony as well as try it out to 400 or so here soon.
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I forgot to mention it's an Edge, probably 10-12 oz lighter than dense, fancy wood. IIRC, it's 28 oz. Ballance and handling are really good.
I wasn't aware they made an Edge McWoody until recently. It weighs a few ounces more than a painted Edge, but is still very light.
It's a bit more expensive than the std. McWoody, the Mauser required hand fitting by them at $50 an hour. There are a lot of variations in the Mauser family, one size doesn't necessarily fit all.
It's still much less expensive and lighter than a fancy custom Walnut handle. And, the Edge is stronger than wood.
I checked a couple of cases and the 6.5 runs three to five grains more than the .260. I am comfortable with the 2+ grains but three may be too hot depending on powder. The other thing is the Swede likes slower powders that aren't used in the .260, not sure why a couple of grains capacity would make a difference.
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My favorite load in my Tikka 6.5x55 is 50g of H4831SC pushing a 140 Nosler Accubond. Not the fastest load clocking around 2700, but is very accurate.
I've also had pretty good luck with 120 Ballistic Tips and 50g of H4350. Those get just under 3,000 Fps, and also shot pretty good. My last two 5 shot groups with this load hovered between 1/2 & 3/4's of an inch.
I finally got the chance to run my loads over the chrony and check for repeatability. Both were a pleasant surprise. Avg speed for 7 rounds over the magnetospeed = 2794fps (24" barrel) ES 11 Sd 9. 5 shot group right at .411
Next, I took it on the stand and popped a little axis doe at 109 yards. On the shot, her back end dropped and she did a 180 on her side and never even kicked. Exit wound was around 1.75" with very little blood-shot meat in the shoulder. ( figure she live-weighed about 120)
Looking forward to hearing how it works for you DF
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Just ran some R26 loads yesterday and they were too hot. Lapua case 53 gr. R26 with 129gr NABLR federal 200 primers Forbes rifle 24" barrel at 92 degreee temp.
First shot looked fine with 3,130 fps. Should have known that was too good to be true. By the third shot and with a warm barrel I was getting pretty flat primers. The 53 gr load had seemed fine with the 129 HBTSP and Winchester primers at 2,975 fps.
Suspect the heat, soft primers and long bearing surface of the Noslers are resulting in excess pressure. This combined with an overcharge too. Will drop back and switch primers and try again on another hot day. The Hornadays will be the fall back but I just wanted to see how the Noslers do at short to medium ranges on Deer.
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How about anyone working with either 140 gr Amax or NBT & IMR4350?
Question was asked earlier in the thread about comparative loads between a 260 and the Swede. Any have an answer?
I loaded 140 A-Maxes years ago with IMR 4350 and found 45.3 grains to shoot very well in my Featherweight M70, so very close to your load. It wasn't fast however; 2560-70 if I remember right.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
I figure I'll either use the Amax's for 'practice' and save the ABLR for hunting loads. That or trade the Amax's off for something else. Still and all, I really like this rifle!
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43.5gr of Norma URP and Remington 9 1/2 Magnum primers in PrviPartizan brass gave me 2650fps with a Nosler 140gr Accubond. I'm going to build this load to see if I can get close to 2750-2800 before pressure builds?
My favorite load in my Tikka 6.5x55 is 50g of H4831SC pushing a 140 Nosler Accubond. Not the fastest load clocking around 2700, but is very accurate.
I've also had pretty good luck with 120 Ballistic Tips and 50g of H4350. Those get just under 3,000 Fps, and also shot pretty good. My last two 5 shot groups with this load hovered between 1/2 & 3/4's of an inch.
I had my M70 Swede out this morning to try a couple of powders in new Hornady cases. I was shooting some 129 Interbond seconds I picked up a few years ago. I have heard reports that the bullet can be difficult to shoot well, but my rifle seems to like them combined with H4831. 3-shot groups, a pair of each at 48.0, and 50.0 showed good results. For some reason I couldn't figure out, both groups at 49.0 were larger. (50.0 grains is 1.5 grains above what Hodgdon calls for when shooting the 129 SP.)
I also gave H414 a go, but groups were widely spaced horizontally. 43.5 is Hodgdon's max for the Hornady 129 SP. Both 43.0 and 44.0 'seemed' alright judging from the fired cases. 45.0 threw a primer and stuck the bolt pretty snug. Obviously the rest of those are coming apart. I've leaned pretty hard with H414 in other cases with never a primer doing that. Apparently it isn't a good match in the Swede.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
I've also had pretty good luck with 120 Ballistic Tips and 50g of H4350. Those get just under 3,000 Fps, and also shot pretty good. My last two 5 shot groups with this load hovered between 1/2 & 3/4's of an inch.
Yep.
I'm not interested in shooting 2500-2700 fps.
My W 70 also likes 49.5 gs IMR 4350 under 120 NBTs. They are +/- 3000 fps.
My M 70 Swede seems to like or at least tolerate the 120s. It has what I'd call a medium throat. It's not real short but I can reach the lands w/o any problem.
I can live w/120s at 3000 fps. Where I hunt on any given day I 'could' see something I want up to 400 yds. I've seen a couple of gooduns and I want to be prepared for most opportunities.
I haven't shot the 120s a lot but they certainly have promise. I may not hunt the Swede this yr but it's not far from being ready to go.
I have a Rem M 6 in 06 that's ready and I haven't hunted it at all. I want to bloody it this year.
Here is what my little M70 Featherweight 6.5 Swede did with Hornady cases, CCIBR2 primers, 7828SSC and 140 Accubonds. I was very impressed with them. Didn't chrono them but I imagine they'd be fast enough.
I've always liked 7828 in the Swede; one of my favorites, but have none on hand at the moment. I've run both 7828 and RL19 with 120 NBTs with very good results.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
That looks pretty good and I bet the speed is great too at 50 gr IMR 7828. Like the 140 gr AB as well, going to also try a few of those in my Wife's Tikka. Have a handful left to try with IMR 4955 and some 140 gr Partitions as well.
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Here is what my little M70 Featherweight 6.5 Swede did with Hornady cases, CCIBR2 primers, 7828SSC and 140 Accubonds. I was very impressed with them. Didn't chrono them but I imagine they'd be fast enough.
I'm a bit curious about those speeds too. I think I stopped at 49.0 with 120 NBTs in my rifle. 50.0 grains is 3.5 grains 'hotter' than Nosler calls max in the slightly smaller 260, and 1.8 more than Hodgdon maxes at with the 140 Speer SP. Hodgdon shows 45,800 CUP so there's some room in a M70 for bumping it no doubt.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
I'm a bit curious about those speeds too. I think I stopped at 49.0 with 120 NBTs in my rifle. 50.0 grains is 3.5 grains 'hotter' than Nosler calls max in the slightly smaller 260, and 1.8 more than Hodgdon maxes at with the 140 Speer SP. Hodgdon shows 45,800 CUP so there's some room in a M70 for bumping it no doubt.
I'll try to get a couple more loaded up and chrono them.
I used Hodgdon online data to get an idea. All of the loads looked and felt good during extraction. I'd actually be plenty happy with any of them to be honest. It seems like my 70 really likes 140's more than lighter Bullets. Tried 130 Scirocco, 130 AB, and 120 Northforks but the 140 ABs easily outshot them all.
It does do well for a light recoiling load using H4895 and 120 BTs though.
I'll be interested to hear your speeds too, and Yessir it does, 7828 is a fine powder in a lot of cartridges, I got a real deal on 100 Lapua cases for mine, they were in a plastic bag covered with dust on my 'Smiths shelf.
I said, YES I'LL TAKE THOSE!!!!! when he said 50 bucks!
You know beretz, this fun experimentation with these lesser rounds will be time very well spent when we reach the age that these weapons must be used due to recoil eye/heart health related concerns, we'll already be there and ahead of the game brudda.
BTW, beretzs, how does your M70 feed? Is it finicky at all about length?
(Perhaps mine was never properly finished but it jams regularly if I don't watch my lengths closely; too short and the bullet tips miss the chamber. I'm of the opinion that the feed ramps were not ground properly for the Swede, something a good smith should be able to correct. Fortunately the magazine is plenty long to accommodate correct length, and the leade does too.)
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
A good smith should be able to tune that gun to feed slick.
I have a .257R on a 700 LA, built by Ron Lampert in MN, a noted master smith. This is one of the slickest feeding actions I own and I have some good ones. No matter where the round sits in the long mag, it feeds like butter.
The new postal regs probably mean I'm stuck using someone very local, otherwise I might consider someone like Redneck.
IME, it would be worth your while, extra touble and expense to get it to Redneck. Not sure what the new regs call for, so don't really know what I'm talking about regarding that.
But, Redneck will make it work like it needs to work.
He's working on a M-70 .375 H&H for me, as we speak.
Good thread. I just scored a great deal on a Howa 6.5x55 and am reading up in advance of my dies and brass coming in. The Howa is HEAVY for a standard rifle, but they are known to be shooters, so we'll see. I suspect I'll give it to my grandson once he outgrows the 22-250 I gave him this year.
Anyone else using R26? I won't report any of my loads as none of them are "book" loads but the velocity is impressive. I am using data for MRP and R22 and not going more than 1 to 1.5 grains over that data but am getting up to 200 fps more velocity with decent accuracy. Not sure where I am with pressure but dropped down one grain from my max load after getting flattened primers. Only reloaded some cases twice so not sure about pressure or load count yet.
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Just read through the thread and was surprised at the heavier bullets you folks are shooting. When I got my CZ550FS I bought 100gr BTs, 120gr Speers, 130gr Accubonds, 140gr SSTs, 140gr Partiitions, and 160gr Pro-hunters. Loaded up something like six different combos and went to the range on a horrible day. When I got to the 100gr BT over a load of Varget I knew I had a winner. Not a hot rod, leaving the barrel at 3050fps out of the carbine, but shot pretty darn well. I still have four of the loads I made that day and never shot. The 100gr Nosler Ballistic tip, for me, is the real deal on deer size game at the Swede's modest velocity. Gut feeling is that the jacket might be a tad thicker due to the .264 Winny Mag. I have taken deer from 100yds to 299yds and the bullet has performed perfectly leaving a dandy wound channel without a huge exit(double-lung shot on all deer)....bullets always have exited.
I have 96 Swede Mauser. Ran out with a ladder set of ammo loaded with IMR 4350 and 140 grain Sierras. From the minimum load to my quitting short of max due to pressure signs they were all within an inch.
We shall see Gunner. Never used RL16 for much, but I have a bunch of the stuff.. It looked good with the 6.5x55 when I ran the numbers. Should have some data this weekend if the weather holds out.
In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.
In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.
My Swede loads are put up in Lapua brass with the 140 NPT's, it's a half inch gun in good shooting conditions, built on an '09 DWM Mauser action with a #1 [or featherweight] contour Shilen at 25"s, the cartridge is so well mannered I can't help but like it.
I've yet to capture a bullet for studying on deer and pigs so far, a real penetrator.
I shot the Swede a little yesterday fellas. Didn't get to my RL16 loads but I shot a few of the 26 loads.
Didn't get a reading on the 53 grain load but everything was nice coming out of the gun. I'm pretty sure I can shrink the load up as well. Haven't monkeyed with seating depth at all. Pretty good speeds for the Swede though.
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In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.
I have some 4955, tried a little of it in a Ruger 270 Win over the weekend. I am not sure what is up with the lot but the starting charges were ultra hot.. To the point of losing primers. First time that has happened. Might have to go back and get 8lb's of the stuff..HA!
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.
You could be falling in with some questionable dudes...
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.
You could be falling in with some questionable dudes...
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If i surround myself with questionable dudes then I look normal!!
In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.
I have some 4955, tried a little of it in a Ruger 270 Win over the weekend. I am not sure what is up with the lot but the starting charges were ultra hot.. To the point of losing primers. First time that has happened. Might have to go back and get 8lb's of the stuff..HA!
Funny you mention that, I also had a blown primer in my 270 Win using IMR 4955. First time in many years. Should have had a used a chronograph at the start, would have seen the higher speeds and stopped.
You're at a spot where bullet with slightly more weight perhaps, or a bit more bearing length....resistance, might just bring it right down. Maybe. ?
Klik, I'm not tracking with what you mean?
Just thinking that that combo might be one which really comes 'in' for you with a different, perhaps more resistance, type bullet - which more weight or more bearing length might give. Or perhaps a primer change might make things cluster more closely if it matters to you. Based on what I've seen in he 270, RL26 does seem to like plenty of resistance (150s) in a smaller volumed case, though in the 7Mag it seems to be quite happy when pushing smaller, lighter (139 mono) bullets also.
.... in my rifles.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
FWIW, my present boxes of Swede brass are loaded with 50 grains of H4831 and 129 Interbonds but 48 or 49 seem to shoot just as well. Haven't checked the speeds on them but figure the 'more' load is probably just a bit faster. That's a nice place to be with a bullet that some people have called picky.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
You're at a spot where bullet with slightly more weight perhaps, or a bit more bearing length....resistance, might just bring it right down. Maybe. ?
Klik, I'm not tracking with what you mean?
Just thinking that that combo might be one which really comes 'in' for you with a different, perhaps more resistance, type bullet - which more weight or more bearing length might give. Or perhaps a primer change might make things cluster more closely if it matters to you. Based on what I've seen in he 270, RL26 does seem to like plenty of resistance (150s) in a smaller volumed case, though in the 7Mag it seems to be quite happy when pushing smaller, lighter (139 mono) bullets also.
.... in my rifles.
Got it. Makes sense. It shot 155 Megas pretty well too. You could be on to something.
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.
You could be falling in with some questionable dudes...
DF
Do not Worry DF, beretz won't believe me when I tell him smokeless powder is a passing fad! ;] ;]
Beretzs, 155 gr. Mega is the other bullet my Swede really likes; IIRC I used H-4831. I guess this gun is a Lapua snob, I'm even feeding it Lapua brass...
The 155gr. Mega and the 139 gr. Scenar are the best shooting bullets in this gun, the latter with MRP. Those two should cover about anything and everything.
She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.
I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..
10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.
Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.
I can hook you up!
Like I said, we will have to talk buddy... I dig those big guns.
My take from internet lore and looking at both with a magnifier is they start out as the same formula from the original Swiss military loads and then get slightly different retardant coatings.
The color is different between the two. I also I have heard that R22 is a bulk powder with a +/- 10% variation and MRP is a canister grade powder with a +/- 5% variation. I may not have those numbers right but it does explain the greater lot to lot variation of R22 opposed to MRP. They load practically identically but if there is a difference MRP seems a hair slower burning but this is probably due to the lot to lot variation more than actual burning rates.
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Beretzs, don't let gunner and his merry band of charcoal burners corrupt you over to the dark side...
Now, that's a dirty business...
DF
, but it smells so good! GREAT
There, I fixed it for you.
If it smelled any better it would rank right up there with sex!
Don't be sad, everyone needs a little help at times.
Geno
PS, Back on topic, I thought this was a 6.5 Swede thread? Do you have a BP load for a 6.5 x55? That would be cool with a big cast bullet.
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Oh, No on the Swede BP loads, fouling in that skinny bore would be hellish, ror.
I suppose so, worse than a .32 or .36 squirrel gun no doubt.
Now, with all the new technology, Superformance powders, de-coppering agents etc.................
could a guy make a buck developing a smokeless powder with a wide range of applications
that smells like BP?
Geno
PS, it would be wonderful in old Mausers and such.
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If you like heavy bullets, you might try to find some of the 147 ELD-M bullets. I got a box from Midway and tested them a little this weekend in my .260. They grouped extremely well and shot well out to 550. I got 2724 fps average, using a heavy load of RE19.
You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it. A "creek" has water in it, a "crick" is what you get in your neck. Liberals with guns are nothing but hypocrites.
Beretz have you tried magnum primers with your R26 loads? A couple of people said it reduces ES and can improve accuracy. I haven't gotten around to try it as I have 3x more standard primers than magnum and want to use those up.
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Beretz have you tried magnum primers with your R26 loads? A couple of people said it reduces ES and can improve accuracy. I haven't gotten around to try it as I have 3x more standard primers than magnum and want to use those up.
Yes sir, with 26 in the 25-06, 243 and Swede. The BR2s work best for me. Couldn't see anything where the Magnum was warranted. I do use CCI250's in the 270 and 7 WSM and the larger cases I load for.
Thanks getting ready to try it in the 270 wsm and 300 wm and think I will just start with magnum primers with those two.
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Thank you. Have had a good read through. I had started my thread as I wanted to focus load info on 140+gr bullets with big game as the intended target.
You're 100% right, this thread is a great resource! Thanks again.
Been kicking the tires on a swede. Gew98 action, 24" 1:9 Shaw barrel.
Just curious,(as I have a pretty fair supply of 7828ssc) what does quickload predict the preasure at 100% load density(I'm figuring around 49gr) with Nosler brass, 140gr Partition,CCI250 primer and COL of 3.125"?
I know it's going to be over book, just curious as to how much over book.
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I don't always shoot Mausers, but when I do...I prefer VZ-24s.
What's the actual measured H20 case capacity, level with the case mouth of your Nosler brass?
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For my Fieldcraft I loaded up to 42.5 grains of IMR 4350 with a CCI 200 primer/Hornady brass/130 gr. Scirocco and chrono'd them this past Friday. I got an average velocity of 2660. My other load was 45.5 grains of RL 19/CCI 200/Hornady brass/130 gr. Scirocco for an average velocity of 2740 fps. Pretty mild but I'm gonna keep tinkering with it. My 42.5 load, the first day shooting it gave me a .185 group and the RL 19 wasn't too far behind.
The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part!
Looks like 100% case fill is right at guesstimated max. But note that this is C.I.P. maximum of ~55k PSI and not S.A.A.M.I. max of ~51k PSI (46k CUP).
USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Code
Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler PART SP 16321
Useable Case Capaci: 50.537 grain H2O = 3.281 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.125 inch = 79.38 mm
Barrel Length : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.209% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-02.1 98 46.80 2726 2310 49998 11425 95.9 1.273 ! Near Maximum !
-01.9 98 46.90 2732 2320 50353 11449 96.0 1.269 ! Near Maximum !
-01.7 98 47.00 2739 2331 50711 11473 96.1 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
-01.5 98 47.10 2745 2342 51070 11497 96.2 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
-01.3 99 47.20 2751 2353 51434 11521 96.3 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 99 47.30 2758 2364 51799 11544 96.4 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 99 47.40 2764 2375 52167 11567 96.5 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
-00.6 99 47.50 2771 2386 52539 11590 96.6 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
-00.4 99 47.60 2777 2397 52914 11613 96.6 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
-00.2 100 47.70 2783 2408 53292 11635 96.7 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 47.80 2790 2420 53671 11658 96.8 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
+00.2 100 47.90 2796 2431 54057 11680 96.9 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+00.4 100 48.00 2803 2442 54442 11702 97.0 1.224 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6 101 48.10 2809 2453 54833 11724 97.1 1.220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.8 101 48.20 2815 2464 55225 11745 97.2 1.216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 101 48.30 2822 2475 55622 11767 97.2 1.212 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 47.80 2874 2568 59257 11689 99.0 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 47.80 2693 2255 48469 11443 93.4 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” ― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear
Looks like 100% case fill is right at guesstimated max. But note that this is C.I.P. maximum of ~55k PSI and not S.A.A.M.I. max of ~51k PSI (46k CUP).
USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Code
Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler PART SP 16321
Useable Case Capaci: 50.537 grain H2O = 3.281 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.125 inch = 79.38 mm
Barrel Length : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.209% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-02.1 98 46.80 2726 2310 49998 11425 95.9 1.273 ! Near Maximum !
-01.9 98 46.90 2732 2320 50353 11449 96.0 1.269 ! Near Maximum !
-01.7 98 47.00 2739 2331 50711 11473 96.1 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
-01.5 98 47.10 2745 2342 51070 11497 96.2 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
-01.3 99 47.20 2751 2353 51434 11521 96.3 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 99 47.30 2758 2364 51799 11544 96.4 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 99 47.40 2764 2375 52167 11567 96.5 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
-00.6 99 47.50 2771 2386 52539 11590 96.6 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
-00.4 99 47.60 2777 2397 52914 11613 96.6 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
-00.2 100 47.70 2783 2408 53292 11635 96.7 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 47.80 2790 2420 53671 11658 96.8 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
+00.2 100 47.90 2796 2431 54057 11680 96.9 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+00.4 100 48.00 2803 2442 54442 11702 97.0 1.224 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6 101 48.10 2809 2453 54833 11724 97.1 1.220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.8 101 48.20 2815 2464 55225 11745 97.2 1.216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 101 48.30 2822 2475 55622 11767 97.2 1.212 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 47.80 2874 2568 59257 11689 99.0 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 47.80 2693 2255 48469 11443 93.4 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Thanks, that's about what I thought it would look like. Looks like 7828 would be a pretty decent place to start. Have quite a bit left over from loading .270 Win, always worked good there too.
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I don't always shoot Mausers, but when I do...I prefer VZ-24s.
i have a Tikka T3 Hunter in 6.5X55. It's not fussy about bullet brand as long as they weigh 126-140 grains. My preferred powders are Alliant Reloader 19 for the lighter bullets and H4831SC for the heavier ones. The charge is 47-47.5 grains for either of the powder/bullet combinations. A RemCL 140 also shot very accurately over 40gr Ramshot Hunter.
BSA that is a nice one. Birch or Walnut stock, looks to have some curl to it. I am not about to experiment on a classic old rifle but it appears that with progressive powders like the Nitro Chemie types the pressure occurs further down the barrel than more conventional powders. I wonder if this is reliable enough to use in older actions. The theory being that peak pressure would not occur in the chamber but would be spread out more down the barrel.
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Hmm. I'm not sure. I was playing around the other day with IMR 4350 and some Hornady bullets. Won high overall score at a military rifle shoot, the second day I owned it. It's a m96 Swedish mauser, so whatever kind of wood they used is what the stock is. It does have some nice figure for a military rifle. I look forward to shooting this one more. Found some Lapua brass the other day for $80.00/100. Well worth it to me, for the quality of brass you get. By the way, this old rifle was shooting 1 moa 3 shot groups, with 3 different factory loads. Surprisingly, thats with irons. Should be a pretty easy rifle to load for.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I’m pretty sure that like the 6.5 CM you could stuff the case with horse poop and seat something that fits down the bore and they will shoot great. They are both super easy to load for. Not for your M96, but RL26 and a 140’s at 2900 turns the Swede into a whole nother machine. I’d imagine most of the book data is made for those old Swedes isn’t it BSA?
I’m pretty sure that like the 6.5 CM you could stuff the case with horse poop and seat something that fits down the bore and they will shoot great. They are both super easy to load for. Not for your M96, but RL26 and a 140’s at 2900 turns the Swede into a whole nother machine. I’d imagine most of the book data is made for those old Swedes isn’t it BSA?
I can't remember what the book said concerning loads for the m96, but I went with a middle of the road load of 38.5 gr. of IMR 4350 and a 129gr. Hornady pill and it shot great. No signs of overpressure and excellent accuracy. I look forward to working on some more loads and now that I have a taller front sight, maybe I can cut the x-ring out of a few targets...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Lilja barrel on Remington action Lapua brass fed 215 Reloader #26 127g barnes long range accubond or 130g accubond 49.5-51.5g I use a forster long powder funnel VERY accurate. 51.5g is going 3150 fps Work up to this load in your rifle.
Lilja barrel on Remington action Lapua brass fed 215 Reloader #26 127g barnes long range accubond or 130g accubond 49.5-51.5g I use a forster long powder funnel VERY accurate. 51.5g is going 3150 fps Work up to this load in your rifle.
Great info! How long is your barrel?
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30 grains RL 7, 160 RN... kicks less than a 243, or feels like it, with the original factory military stock... 29 inch barrel runs it right at 2350 fps.
30 grains of RL 7 or 4198, and a 120 ballistic tip....that is running right at 2500 fps..
both are pretty darn accurate....recoil is almost non existent with the factory stock..
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30 grains RL 7, 160 RN... kicks less than a 243, or feels like it, with the original factory military stock... 29 inch barrel runs it right at 2350 fps.
30 grains of RL 7 or 4198, and a 120 ballistic tip....that is running right at 2500 fps..
both are pretty darn accurate....recoil is almost non existent with the factory stock..
Awesome. Thanks John.. I may have to check into those for my Carl Gustav..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I tried 50.0 RL26 with a 130 accubond in Lapua brass in my tikka Swede. 5 shot avg 2770 fps. Tula LRM primers. I could probably add a couple grains. Barrel gets real hot very quickly with RL26.
Barrel only has 25 shots through it, do Tikka barrels speed up after 150-200 shots like a Bartlein does?
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Tried the 120 E-tip at 3.00 OAL and got a 4” “group” out of the same rifle. Gonna seat them deeper and try again. RL26 might not be the best powder for the 120, I may try to find some RL16.
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.” ALDO LEOPOLD
Didn’t run any 120’s that I can remember with 26, but it might be okay with those monos and a long drop tube. I’d bet you’d get some smoking speeds though.
Looks like 100% case fill is right at guesstimated max. But note that this is C.I.P. maximum of ~55k PSI and not S.A.A.M.I. max of ~51k PSI (46k CUP).
USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Code
Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler PART SP 16321
Useable Case Capaci: 50.537 grain H2O = 3.281 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.125 inch = 79.38 mm
Barrel Length : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.209% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-02.1 98 46.80 2726 2310 49998 11425 95.9 1.273 ! Near Maximum !
-01.9 98 46.90 2732 2320 50353 11449 96.0 1.269 ! Near Maximum !
-01.7 98 47.00 2739 2331 50711 11473 96.1 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
-01.5 98 47.10 2745 2342 51070 11497 96.2 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
-01.3 99 47.20 2751 2353 51434 11521 96.3 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 99 47.30 2758 2364 51799 11544 96.4 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 99 47.40 2764 2375 52167 11567 96.5 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
-00.6 99 47.50 2771 2386 52539 11590 96.6 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
-00.4 99 47.60 2777 2397 52914 11613 96.6 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
-00.2 100 47.70 2783 2408 53292 11635 96.7 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 47.80 2790 2420 53671 11658 96.8 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
+00.2 100 47.90 2796 2431 54057 11680 96.9 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+00.4 100 48.00 2803 2442 54442 11702 97.0 1.224 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6 101 48.10 2809 2453 54833 11724 97.1 1.220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.8 101 48.20 2815 2464 55225 11745 97.2 1.216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 101 48.30 2822 2475 55622 11767 97.2 1.212 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 47.80 2874 2568 59257 11689 99.0 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 47.80 2693 2255 48469 11443 93.4 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Thanks, that's about what I thought it would look like. Looks like 7828 would be a pretty decent place to start. Have quite a bit left over from loading .270 Win, always worked good there too.
will be curious to read your results. Any follow up would be greatly appreciated.
Can anybody share some successful loads with non-lead bullets. I read through all nine pages of this thread and only found two lead free recipes. Would love a few more. Thanks.
Can anybody share some successful loads with non-lead bullets. I read through all nine pages of this thread and only found two lead free recipes. Would love a few more. Thanks.
The Barnes if anything have lower pressure than a typical cup & core so load data will interchange. Nosler E-tips do run with slightly higher pressures I am not sure if it is because it is a mono or it has a long bearing surface. Not sure about the GMX so will lump them in with the E-Tips for now and will drop back half to a full grain when loading them if there is not a pressure tested load for the combination I'm loading..
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Can anybody share some successful loads with non-lead bullets. I read through all nine pages of this thread and only found two lead free recipes. Would love a few more. Thanks.
I'll second that request.
California goes lead free for all hunting next month. I could use a recipe or two to get started.
Thanks,
Geno
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I've had a great deal of time to test my RL26 147 eld-m load and am on 7 reloads on some cases now with zero issues so going to post this load
Tikka T3 6.5X55 swede Lapua Brass 147eld-m 49.5 grains RL26 Remington 9 1/2 primer
2730 fps at 10 degrees 2750 fps at 85 degrees
Shoots tiny groups in cold, hot, rainy, snowy or sunny weather
This one is my hunting load with cases on 4 reloads with zero issues
Tikka T3 6.5X55 swede Lapua Brass 130 accubond 47.5 gr. RL17 Rem 9 1/2 primer
2930 fps at 10 degrees 2950 fps at 55 degrees 3015 fps at 85 degrees
I don't hunt with the RL 17 130 accubond load in warm weather so it's not a problem for me but thought I would post the noticeable increase as the temps warmed up purely for the benefit of others
Trystan
Last edited by Trystan; 09/22/19.
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
Trystan thanks for the info. My R26 loads were too hot at over 90 degrees but they may have been too hot at any temperature. I am going to try your R17 load with R16 as it is supposed to be more temperature stable and loads really close to R17. The 129-130 grain bullets have been a staple for my 6.5x55 and the BT kill really well, but so do the Hornaday's and all the others.
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Trystan thanks for the info. My R26 loads were too hot at over 90 degrees but they may have been too hot at any temperature. I am going to try your R17 load with R16 as it is supposed to be more temperature stable and loads really close to R17. The 129-130 grain bullets have been a staple for my 6.5x55 and the BT kill really well, but so do the Hornaday's and all the others.
I'm down to my last bit of R17 and purposely haven't bought more. I'd be interested in finding out how well R16 works for you as I'm considering that as well for 130s.
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
My Barrett Fieldcraft has been tested a lot with the 130 Accubond and the 130 Swift Scirocco. I've tinkered with RL 19, IMR 4350, several different primers and seating depths. The best loads were:
130 Swift Scirocco 42.5 gr. IMR 4350 Remington 9-1/2 Group size was .227 2660 FPS
130 Nosler Accubond 47.0 gr. RL 19 Remington 9-1/2 Group size was .424 2770 FPS
The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part!
I worked up a decent load for the 129 Internbond which uses 50.0 H4831SC. Wanting a harder bullet for moose hunting, I wanted to use some 120 GMXs I had so I thought I'd load them with the same to try. Turned out they shot well with a few cases I had with standard primers in them. A few I loaded with Fed 215 opened up quite a bit. So I think the powder and charge are useful, but primers might be something to work with. The temps were hovering around "this public range is all yours" (or minus 30°) which is why I tried mags, but apparently they aren't necessary.
Last edited by Klikitarik; 01/11/20.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
My LGS/reloading department said last week that R-16 is gaining fast on H4350 - which was the powder of choice for quite a few years. So far so good with my Tikka and Kimber Mountain Ascent.
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
H1000 is a real tack driver in my Tikka with 140 accubonds and the 143 ELDX. 51.5 grs over a BR2 primer. Shoots very accurately with single digit extreme spreads.
Just throwin' this out there, I have 3 surplus '96's in various forms 2 bubba sporters, and one homebuilt copy of a CG 63 target rifle. Original barrels. One load is well liked by all 3 rifles. 130 gr Barnes TSX over 48 gr of H4831SC, Norma brass, Federal match primer. The shortest barrel rifle, 20" carbine gets 2700 fps, sub moa. (5 shot or more groups), good brass life, and average deviation gets around 9 fps.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
51 grains of 4831sc pushing a 140 spbt out of a 1932 6.5x55 31 inch barrel on a krag action using norma brass and mag rifle primers very happy with this load
51 grains of 4831sc pushing a 140 spbt out of a 1932 6.5x55 31 inch barrel on a krag action using norma brass and mag rifle primers very happy with this load
John t, On your Krag...does your guide rib on the bolt act as another locking lug on the right rear receiver abutment?
Last edited by flintlocke; 06/28/20.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
51 grains of 4831sc pushing a 140 spbt out of a 1932 6.5x55 31 inch barrel on a krag action using norma brass and mag rifle primers very happy with this load
John t, On your Krag...does your guide rib on the bolt act as another locking lug on the right rear receiver abutment?
Yes I do have a Norwegian Krag action with that safety feature
Is anyone using heavy bullets in the 6.5 Swede, like the 160 Hornady and the 156 Lapua? I have both and am considering loading one of them for deer hunting here in the Northeast where heavy round nose bullets have always been the bullets to use. It just seems to me that the Swede was meant for such bullets.
A friend has a Model 70 Featherweight in 6.5 Swede. He only shoots 160 grain Hornady bullets and has had very good success on deer using them. Mule Deer doesn't share that love for the 160 Hornady, however.
Has anyone tried the 156 grain Lapua on game? Results?
When it appeared to be inevitable, all copper, I started a couple years ago, juggling components. In two bubba sporters, 22" barrel '96 Swedes, I settled on 48 Gr H4831SC, WLR primer, 130 gr Barnes TSX, getting 2700 fps. Five shots at 100 yds consistently group 1 moa, occasionally smaller. Because I'm using original military barrels with the long throat, I never bothered with tweaking seating depth. Just as personal preference, I give the loaded cartridge a gentle little bump with the Lee factory crimp die just to narrow my velocity deviation. After all the experimentation and juggling components for a whole summer...basically I ended up with the exact duplicate of my pre copper load...just substituting the 130 Barnes for the old 129 SST. My point being if you have a proven cup and core load for your Swede already, you may just want to substitute just the copper bullet to start with...hardly anybody but me likes military barrels hacked off at 22". Good luck guys.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
All of the 120-125’s were around the 2500 mark with 34 grains of H4895 in my 22” rifle. I never fiddled with them for perfect shooting since they were for younger hunters who weren’t shooting further than 200 yards.
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