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Don't own a .22 cal centerfire and I've been swearing to rectify that for the last couple years.

It be a play toy for steel and paper, used for deer on occasion and down to ground squirrels. Don't want a chunk.

The choices are:

An AR build- I don't own one and they are pretty cheap now.

Ruger American- Uber cheap. 8 twist. Piece of chit stock.

Montana- turn key.

Tikka SL- Has anyone seen one that doesn't shoot? $700+$550 for a McMillan is about Montana territory. The extra inch bolt throw doesn't bother me.

Sako Vixen- slow twist and pricey, though I'd like to have a nice custom on one.

What say ye?

Custom Vixen would kick a lot of butt.

Montana -would be powerful cool too - I have a real hankering for a Montana -although there are certain types of people on this site that are giving them a bad name -due to them owning one -two -a few -several..

Mickey Coleman built my first custom 700 bdl 22-250 I have shot a couple of 5 shot groups measuring in the 1's . Luck I know.
Shot two three shot groups on steel 2 1/2" at 453 yards when testing long range loads.
Love a 22-250 .
And here I thought MadMooner was a hardcore rifleman -laf --you don't have a 22-250 ? Delete this thread and say you were kidding ..

If you wanted to meet your needs with perfection, I'd highly recommend a custom 22-250 with an 8" twist.

But if you want to class things up, I have a Vixen in .222 Rem Mag, with plenty of bastard brass, dies and all the bells and whistles.

It will likely do anything you're looking to do with a quality .22 centerfire that doesn't suck.

But make no mistake, it won't do what an 8" twisted 22-250 will do.



Travis

Thou shalt buyith a T-3 1:8 SL and livith happily ever after.


I'm considering the new Sako compact and playing swapaloo between the 223 for summer wear and something a little heavier hitting for formal wear.

One size fits all....

....initial indications are 50's kissing at 2.282 and 75 Amax at 2.448. Mag box is 2.307, but we have the technology. Or the bobsled insert as plan B.

What's max length mag box for the Kimber ?

Easy MM; The Tikka....

Donor 700, 8 twist 22-250, micky.

Done Faux Ti with a fluted LVSFish barrel.

Since you don't own an AR, you need one yesterday.

RRA predator pursuit, 20" barrel.

I might sell you the really pretty Sako Riihimaki you handled when you were last out this way. It is scary accurate and stylin. About 7lbs all up, too.





Comes with a guided trip for either Oregon Ground squirrels or E WA Rockchucks

Whether this one, or another similar, I would sure try to find a pre Garcia 222 or 223 such as a Riihimaki or Vixen. Just awesome little rifles.

That said, I am interested in aquiring one of the RIA mini bolt action rifles in 22TCM. The 22TCM should act like a modern designed 22 Hornet in most respects, and that little RIA rifle is a handsome thing, from the photos I have seen.

AR's are fun but I like the Montana a ton. Montana in 223 for the win.

"Elevator, elevator, here comes the shaft!"..

Rancho,

Try to refrain from propositioning me in public like this, you are embarrassing yourself. For the LAST TIME, I am NOT gay, and thus am NOT giving you my shaft!

+1 Had mine out today and always a blast to shoot. Shoots great with handloads as well. Get the AR.

Reminds me of this scene from Billy Madison


where he is saying the opposite of what he wants.....

I need to at least pick up a lower or two while they are still so cheap and available. Who knows when the next dumbazz will throw a wrench in the works and have it stick.

Not on the list, but the Ruger Hawkeye with the 1 in 9 twist shoots pretty good. Actually the ones I've had, have shot almost as good as my 1 in 9 twist Ruger 77 mkII vt/target model. Not too chunky either....

Anyone looking at a Ruger for paper punching should look at the Hawkeye Predator just for the 2-stage trigger. Very nice.

That said, if it were me and I had the bucks, a Sako anything would be very high on the list.

You do need to pick up a couple lowers, but in my opinion, if building an AR you'll spend probably more getting it to shoot as well as any of the bolt guns you've mentioned (maybe except the Sako) and it'll never be as classy.

Don't get caught in the AR race. If you want something that transends all comers, follow the instinct you have with the Sako Vixen and build or buy one in 222 mag. You won't be disappointed. Velocity with a 40 grain bullet will reach 4,000 FPS and they are more accurate than most AR's will be.

AR's come and go, but a Sako stays...

Holy Christ, only thing worse than a Sako is a Pre-64 Winchester.

OM- Hard core? Can't be hard core until I get a 223 AI! Always had 22 rimfires and 243's. Apparently I'm missing out.

Flave, BGG- thinking I'll stay small bolt face.

SM, Shrap- I love the old Sakos. Not sure it's in the plans right now though. I've a L61 and would like to eventually get a Vixen and do a big and little custom job. Maybe.......that's a lot of hunting funds!

SH- So you're not hip on a Pre64 in 22 Hornet?

It's really between the Montana and Tikka and then just get an AR lower to tinker with.

A .222 Rem Mag, in a Vixen and dropped in an EDGE.... That could be uber-duber.



Travis

Had mine out yesterday. After floating and bedding it shot 64 Nosler bondeds over Benchmark under a half inch, Barnes 55 TSXs over Benchmark or Varget well under and inch and SGKs over Varget into a half inch. I'm happy with it.

That's not my experience at all. In fact, I've got an upper with a very inexpensive DPMS heavy barrel that shoots sub MOA all day long with junk factory rounds.

I thought the Ruger American had a 1-10 twist...oh, wait you wanted the gov't supported, under powered 223. My bad.

All kidding aside, I'd get a 22-250 if deer are on the agenda. The AR doesn't do it for me in the paper punching game...dont' get me wrong, it has it's place.

I wish my howa 22-250 was a 1-10 like the ruger. If it didn't shoot soo good I'd think of selling it, getting a ruger, and putting a real stock on the ruger.

Anyway...I'm starting to ramble.

WTF does a 1-10" get you?



Travis

you'll spend the rest of your life wishing you'd have listened.

Ability to shoot heavier bullets, that buck the wind better, that in theory carry more killing power/energy (in theory).

Honestly, I like have the flexibility, but truth told you'll need a faster twist than 1-10 to stabilize the real heavy uber-cool 22 bullets.

Is that a factory stock you painted?

Just as a counter point, right before Christmas, I bought a Wally World ADL .223 with un-named Chinese 4X12 scope. With a trigger adjustment and tightening of scope mount/stock screws it will shoot three 40gr. V- Maxes into 1/2 inch and even 55 Sierra under I inch for five shots. All for $340 bucks with rebate.

Note that I have owned two Vixens, a .222 Mannlicher and a .222 Magnum Varmint both bought new, and they didn't provide nearly as much fun as that little Wally World special.

Also note that to us "old guys", the plastic tipped bullets are uber cool compared to the stuff we had back in the old days. The .22 hornet now has the range of the .222/223 and the .223 reaches out to where we used to go to 6MMs.

I got a chuckle out of someone struggling to get a RRA to shoot..

What was that POS you had last spring shooting gophers?

Damn, I was looking at the predator. I would have bought it, except it did have the 2 stage trigger.

That rifle is looking damn good man. I love the red pad and brown stock. Stainless and damn, you got the whole package right there...A good shooter too, but that's pretty much a given with those rifles. Mine shot so damn good, I let a friend talk me out of it. He traded me his MkII VT/Target and then laughed all the way to his house....

The RAR has a flimsy stock, but is low bucks, 8-twist, and SAS took over for Cotis with the mag mod. Mine has a 10x. Did a little shooting with it yesterday.

For the money, I can't complain. I pitched the factory trigger spring and blade.

All things considered, for my money, I'd grab that Sako from Travis and then pick up a Ruger American or a Wally World ADL ( which I have one, with about 5,000 rounds down the barrel and its still a tack driver..)

With a quality rifle, you are still going to want 'a beater' or truck gun.... and if you had just a truck gun you'd probably be wanting a quality rifle...

having just one never seems to work for me...

and depending on what you can get it for, that one of Mark's is pretty darn nice...saw it in action last spring...

What speed are you getting out of Those 75 amaxs?

2930 fps

Bone stock Sako L-469 in 222 mag. 40 grain V-Max at 3900fps. Where does fast twist and slow bullets catch this combination???

Well inside the 50yd line,as wind drift goes...but one would haveta shoot a smidge to savvy such things. If only for starters.

Funnier than fhuqk that a Clueless Drooling Dumbfhuqk in Coke Bottle Glasses,is gonna try and talk anything about rifles,boolits or glass!!!

Then there's logistics and the inherent beauty of a 223AI squirting a 75A-Max at 3150fps. It's rather unsettling to Clueless Drooling Dumbfhuqks,that the 75 has a 100fps impact velocity advantage,at only the 300yd line. Of course the residual "Ooooooooomph" at the scene,is lightyears beyond what Coke Bottles can reveal. That it does so with 2grs less powder,is pretty fhuqking funny too.

Perhaps muse something about the sweet "satisfactions" of trite COAL latitude,schit glass,botched rings and blued/walnut too? Laffin'!

You poor poor Clueless Fhuqk. Your Cluelessness is beyond EPIC.

Oh soooooooooooo Wow.

Bless your heart,for doing your best and being Stupid enough,to dupe yourself into thinking you've even the foggiest of fhuqking notions.

Congratulations?!?

Hint.

Laffin'!

You really get after it!!!!



(Kchuntfest 2015 Addendum)


I'll feign my "surprise" that you widely skirted ALL things The Rifle and went right to your Vagina Monologue instead.

Who in the fhuqk,didn't see THAT coming?!?

Perhaps dangle a picture of a Humpie,for maximum hilarity.

Laffin'!

An upper or lower in the safe was not enough to build a rifle after the last panic, BCG's, barrels and triggers were hell to find and prices inflated.

Buy a cheap complete rifle now + some select parts while the prices are good for a nice build or two.

Speaking of stupid, you sure got a whole lot of that. Being limited to one post every 48 hours and you wasted it with that gaggle of garbage. Way to go Einstein...

Pappy

When I bedded and floated the rifle, also painted it with the dark brown Krylon "Make it Stone" and sealed it with a flat clear. The fore end is filled with glass and the back 1.5" of the butt is filled with glass to accept the acrew spacing on the red pad I fitted.

The 9 twist is getting it done with 64 Nosler Bonded FBs over Benchmark. 65 SGKs are shooting well also. 55s of several makes are shooting very well.

Since no one else has said it, a fast twist .221 Fireball.

Okay, seriously, you should buy a .218 Bee, so there will be more demand for the brass, so Winchester might actually run more of it.






If you aren't buying either of those, an AR in 5.56 has a lot of practical applications. Buy the best barrel & BCG you can afford.

A fast twist .22-250 AI is probably the next .22 Centerfire I'd buy, but I already have two good AR's, and a Bee

He's got a little Mississippi leg hound in him and you don't wanna be around if the mood strikes.

Word of warning. If he does lay into you, its best just to let him finish.....


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Real nice Clark, real nice.

Thanks BSA. A cheap version of your 338 look.

Thanks for the info. I want something to slap on my Predator for deer season to lighten it up some. The factory laminate is very well done, and you'd better not set it down in the woods for fear of losing it, but the factory synthetic should cut the weight by about a pound. Old, fat, men like their guns as light as possible.

That stone paint is a great idea. Nice job.

Just got off the phone with Ruger, and my stock is on the way. $52.91

On top of that, I stopped off at the gun store on my way home from my endoscopy, and scored a bottle of Varget and one of 780.

Whoo Hoo!

Why not start out with the Ruger American, top it with a decent scope and play with it for a bit? Good gun to start until you go in a different direction. I just bought a Marlin X7 sporter in 223 with the same thought in mind. It's 1:9" so I could give it the AI if I wanted.

RAR+SWFA=TIKKA

Your 40gr VMAX (3900 fps) loses to the 75gr AMAX (2930 fps) somewhere around 50 yards as Boxer stated, in terms of drift.

In terms of catching up... at ~350 yards they'll have roughly the same velocity. But the 75gr is nearly double the mass, and obviously less drift.

Drift is mighty ambiguous and at 50 yards immeasurable. According to Hornady ballistic charts, velocity does catch up, but not at 350 yards. Drop with the 75 grain is also almost 10 inches more at 500.

BC does play an important part in long range shooting, but this isn't about long range shooting.

I also know how Boxer will beat up people because he says they aren't capable of shooting long range, but still uses long range as a gauge for a particular cartridge and it's usefulness.

Still the concept of having a rifle built to shoot extended ranges when the bulk of your shooting would be much less, makes little sense, especially for lighter cartridges and light bullets.

Varmints aren't shot at extreme ranges as much as they are 300 yards and less. Velocity still works great, I have never given any varmints up to fast twist and heavier bullets at 90% of the varmint shooting we do...

Kirk,

1. You were pimping light/fast bullets from a 222 and asked where the fast twist catches it. I used JBM with Bryan Litz's values at 1700'. The 75gr AMAX at 2930 fps "catches" the 40gr at ~350y in terms of velocity. As I understand it, the Litz values are not theoretical... he records actual velocity at distance. If you think the Hornady values are more accurate, that's up to you.

2. MadMooner asked about a .22 centerfire "used for deer on occasion and down to ground squirrels." Seems to me that a 75gr AMAX is suitable for deer... but I'm not sure about the 40gr AMAX. How is that 40gr VMAX on deer?

3. Madmooner posted about the 8-twist being a "positive" and the slow-twist of the Sako being a "negative". At least this is what I saw. Re-read his first post and see what you think.

4. Based on #3, I just posted my findings with a fast-twist 223. Nothing more, nothing less... until you asked a question.

5. You say "Drift is mighty ambiguous and at 50 yards immeasurable." Uh, no. "Immeasurable" seems a little strong.
Just because you don't think it matters, doesn't make it "immeasurable". ~50y is where just where it starts... it gets worse for the 40gr VMAX after that.

6. You wrote, "BC does play an important part in long range shooting, but this isn't about long range shooting." But right before that you wrote, "Drop with the 75 grain is also almost 10 inches more at 500." So which is it? And drop isn't my concern at longer ranges... drift is.

7. I posted about an inexpensive 223 that shot well for me. The 75gr seems ok for deer, and is a fast-twist. Both seem to meet what the OP is looking for. He even mentioned the RAR in his post.

8. Why can't varmints be shot at longrange? I don't have much interest in close range... but I never mentioned my preference in my posts.

Jason

That's a whole lot of typing when all you really had to say is, because Big Stick says so.

About the worst reason in the world to do anything. He (Big Stick aka Boxer aka.....) knows a good bit about rifles and reloading, for sure. But as a role model, no thank you. Demeaning others and name calling is total grade school bulschidt. A big problem being that there are others with equal experience to his, or at least nearly so, (Like Shrapnel and others. To a lesser degree my own experiences) whose opinions are different than his. He seems to be incapable of accepting the idea that other good riflemen with widely varied experience might come to different preferences or conclusions than he has. A real sign of serious immaturity. Not being able to give anyone else credit for having a valid idea that is different than one's own is not showing great mental prowess or maturity. quite the opposite, actually.

My close freind and oft hunting partner Jim Hackewicz (JJHAck) who does not frequent here anymore for the same reasons Dober and many other good folks have left this site lived near Larry the Big Stick for a while and interacted with him. Jim is an outstanding and widely experienced hunter with thousands of big game animals to his credit either personally or as a guide in AK and PH in Africa. His opinion of Larry aka Big Stick is not good. That is putting it mildly. And Jim's knowledge and experience with real rifles shooting real big game (More than 900 bears alone, many Elephant, Rhino, Cape Buff, thousands of plains game animals, much more) and lots of it far exceeds anything that Big Stick will ever even dream about in his best and wildest imagining's or dreams.

I will take Jim's real world based recomendations over about anyone else's. And he is capable of having a civil back and forth conversation that is actually helpful and worthwhile to all parties. Big Stick used to be like that, but I have not seen that version of Big Stick in a very long time. I miss him and wish there was some way to get the helpful and at least SOMETIMES polite Larry back onto this site and these forums. I really do.

Interesting to note that Jim Hackewicz has two MRC rifles that are essentially slicked up and improved model 70's plus one Ruger model 77 and one model 70 for rifles. All shooting Barnes Bullets of mediocre BC's but awesome terminal ballistics. Just facsinating..... About the same lineup, except with some Brno and CZ's thrown in, that I used to see among other full time proffessional hunters. Should tell us all something, but some wish not to listen. That is their perogitive, but being dissmissive and mean and talking down to another experienced hunter or name calling is NOT.

This place is so retarded.

Laughin'....





Travis

Apparently Narcissism blocks the ability to understand sarcasm.

and thanks for being an example of what makes it so...

this is dedicated to you and Schmuck...

runs thru my head every time I read one of you or Schmuck's posts...


" I could have friends if I wanna, but then I wouldn't stand out in the crowd..." describes you two heroes to a Tee....


of course this one is close competition....

I'll take Big Stick's advice way before listening to anything from you!

Woah, big post. I'm suprised you didn't have anything listed in there for sale.

Yetti, your choice, free country sir. My point being that regardless of ones point of view, to express it with disrespect toward others is a sure sign of one's own low self image as well as lack of maturity and adult communication skills.

If you would take Big Sticks advice over that of Jim Hackewicz and others with far more real world experience in the game fields than Larry the Stick, that speaks volume's about your inability to properly weigh the value of a source of information. But again, like I said, free country and you may listen to whomever, for whatever reasons you choose. Good luck to you and sincere wishes for good hunting in any event.

Best,

MARK

Wow, that is SO deep and mature..... About on the level of your "Elevator Elevator" Nursery ryhme comment earlier in this thread. Common denominator, besides being grade school level drivel, was a complete lack of relevance to the thread and topic. Come to think of it, very few of your posts ever have much to do with the topic at hand. Fascinating.... just fascinating. In a very sad way.

Mad Mooner,

So sorry your query got derailed by the normal cast of numbskulls who typically do this to threads. Trying to make threads into a battle of personal vendetta's and or name calling.

Back on topic, if you do not have an AR, I have to agree with several others that a longish barreled varmint specific AR would be a great and fun choice. I have used them on ground squirrel shoots from time to time and when the ground is just alive with feeding rodents, few tools or toys are better suited to maximize the fun and carnage. In addition, an AR is a terrific tool for Coyote caling since it is not uncommon for a good calling set up to bring in more than one yodeler and an AR makes the chances of making multiple kills much better than any bolt action.

Add to this that an AR is something that, IMO every American home should have one of (or something similar) for real regional or National crisis interventions, and you have lots of good reasons for an accurate AR with a good trigger.

If you can get one of these AND an accurate mega speed bolt gun .224, that would be a terrific and fun 1-2 punch or combo.

Pot, or kettle?

Wait, what was that in your earlier post about differing opinions and the nature of folks who demean others who have different opinions than there own?

You're doing a lot of talking for both JJ and Larry while casting a few stones at those that dare disagree with your pet opinion (and not theirs, as they haven't said a word).

Name dropping, plain and simple.

JJ and Larry.




And Jesus.

Irony or hypocrisy? Both?



Here comes the SHTF, Lone Ranger fantasy again.



To be uber, right?

'Mooner would be well served by a .223 bolt gun, as he's already said he wants to stay with that head size bolt gun. If he wants an AR, setting it up to run similar loads makes a lot more sense than having two completely different .22 centerfire rifles as he's already stated he doesn't shoot enough currently or forecast enough into the future to justify dedicated rigs for multiple purposes.

A Kimber Montana .223, or a Remington 700 SA donor set up well, will cover the .223 bolt gun base with ease.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think stick has ripped anyone off in the classifieds, conned old people, or lied..

He may hurt some feelers, but I'll take his word over some sniveling grifter or his suck ass enablers.

That's my take as well, as well as anyone who would ass shoot a bear and brag about it, as well as berate anyone who chooses a caliber to hunt with that isn't a uber midbore magnum (that still caused the bear to suffer all night)

Anyone who cheats other people either for 2 bucks in the classifieds or 1,000's in insurance, to me their opinion and whatever they say, aint worth squat.

wasn't there also somewhere where SM hinted at military service but never backed it up?

This can't be good for business.




Dave

Hope the OP finds a rig.

I suspect JJ took some time off from the fire after being named a party to Safariman's azz shot bear follies. Funny that SM has his head so far up his own azz that he doesn't realize such posts could be bad for his "friend's" business.

FWIW, JJHack still posts regularly on the Bowhunting threads, so I'm not real sure why SM is so worked up about him being gone anyway.

safariclam,

Congratulations on kicking off The 2015 Kchuntfest in such epic fashion! Can't wait to read your obituary,so as to learn the Toxicology which fuels your Drug Addled Delusions. Gonna be a fhuqking riot and wellll beyond poignant,giving both Elvis and Michael Jackson serious runs for The Title!!! Laffin'!

I'll feign my "surprise" that your only move is to drop everyone's name but your's and wax eloquent with yet another Vagina Monolgue...while refraining ALL things The Rifle.

Perhaps you,Shrapnel and Shefire oughtta give thought to joining forces and "unleash" the Triple Twatt Trifecta,if only to set the stage for your Imagination and it's Pretend. Hilarious that you STUPID Fhuqks are unable to take notes and apply same,yet "think" that freelancing your "experience","knowledge" and "results" quantifies anything other than a humor quotient?!? Bless your hearts.

You Drooling Clueless Dumbfhuqks are an UBER hoot and here's to the sanctity of oblivious humor,which equally grants opportunity for Coke Bottles and Blinders...so you can showcase your "talents". Hit me with an addy and I'll send funds,as a cornerstone to arrange you Amazingly Inept Kchunts in a group photo,as THE ultimate Drooling Dumbfhuqk Post Card. You sappy kchunts could make millions,on accident. Laffin'!

I'm fhuqking crying I'm laughing soooooooooooooooooo hard!

Rather enjoyed the portion,in which drop/drift and impact velocity are moot!

Just what might you AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqks conjure up next?!?

Do NOT let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunts as you feverishly take Stupidity to places it's never been before.

Go FULL Secret Squirrel and group PM,less the highly vaunted Imaginary Pretend Ignore Clause...slowing the velocity of your high-heels down,in their ominous pitty-patter as you race to hold your breaths and teach the World yet another "lesson".

Laffin'!

Fhuqking funnier yet,PLEASE find me "mistaken"!

Wow +P+!!!

Actually, my unfortunate use of the term knuckleheads WAS me falling to the level of other name callers, and beneath good civil conversation. I made a terrible error, and I am truly sorry for that.

To those who may have felt that I was reffering to you with my knucklehead comment, I am sorry. Please forgive me. I hope to not do that again.

4Ager, you are right in that my post was out of line. Thank you for pointing this out. If you felt that I was reffering to you, though I have not known you to be a name caller and generally a solid and logical poster I am truly and sincerely sorry and I hereby apologize.

Gentlmen, I hope that I do not fall to this again, ever.

Have a great day, all.

Mad Mooner, you have been suggested many goood ideas and options. I hope some of them are useful to you.

Me too.

Boxer / Big Stick, I do not have you on ignore, and do not feel the need for such.

To the contrary, I consider you a wealth of knowledge and have freely admitted here more than once that your experience shooting different rifles and playing with different cartridges and loads far exceeds my own.

Your posts have had the effect of having me now trying out some higher BC bullets for my 7mm Mashburn Super, and actively pursuing a different turret system for its Leupold Scope.

I do try to learn from others, and learn as I go here and out in the hunting fields. But in the instances where my experience is considerably more than a person with whom I have a difference of opinion I can state my views and how I arrived at them without being disparaging or talking down to the other person. At least I THINK and HOPE I can and do. I have some repair work to do in the thread about a .32 caliber Ruger #3 where I stepped out of line.

You are right that a toxicology report on my blood right now would be a freakin MESS I joked in my post about my soon upcoming Kidney Transplant that I should maybbe dup all of the drugs I now have to take, and will no longer need, into our small local trout lake and see what a pain free, very relaxed trout with low blood pressure and feeling no stress looks and acts like!

You used to be able to provide information and help from your vast knowledge and experience, more than most will ever be able to gain, without talking down to everyone and calling everyone who disagreed with you some sort of name. I really wish that for our sake AND yours, you could return to that M.O. You were a big help to many here, were rightly looked up to, and could be again.

Sincere best wishes to you,

Mark aka 'safariclam' (I have to admit, that one is pretty funny)

.

I'm stealing that.

Seinfeld?

another morning Masturbate Fest going on in Craig AK it seems...

so sweet of you to include me on your morning drunk filled rant...

gotta admit one thing you're good at Schmucklette....is your posts are filled with more Schitt than a 10,000 gallon septic tank....

each one could fertilize the entire state of Nevada, they are so Schitt enriched...

but you enjoy your day pulling on your little Vienna Sausage, as I am sure you can't wait to tell us your stroke by Stroke experiences over it all before tomorrow...

Rock on Bluto.... you're on a Roll again...there isn't a Homo in Frisco your macho-ness wouldn't impress...

Wouldn't a Triple Twatt Trifecta involve 9 Twatts?

Wanna trade those tires for an uberlanche?

Way to go MadMooner -you got everybody riled up with your 22-250 questions !

Here's how the cookie crumbles:

Boolits matter farrrrrrrrr more than headstamps,though the astute can have their cake and eat it too. Hint.

FUNNY how the obvious reliably sails over Coke Bottles,Blinders and empty Pill Bottles. And I mean fhuqking FUNNY! Laffin'!!!



Connecting dots is a simplistic function of aligning,twist,throat and COAL latitude. Read that again. Hint.

I've got or shot every rifle thus far cited in this Thread,as well as quite a few that haven't. Hint.

Now as per your initial query:

AR's can be a good time and are typically twisted in forgiving fashion as 7" & 8's abound,though they wear Linda Lovelace throats and rather trite mag confines. That's (1) outta 3. Hint.

The RAR 223 is twisted 8" and throated exceptionally,with copious COAL latitudes being a simplistic Plug & Play arrangement. That's (3) outta 3 and in fhuqking spades. Hint.

The Montucky is twisted on the cusp at 9"(the 75A-Max being the obvious barometer of evaluation,as it has no equal),it has a 2.8" capable box and is throated rather nicely. If it pinholes 75's it's a (3) outta 3,but the worst it can do is not and then it's (2) outta 3. 75HPBT's are a given to pinhole,but a step backwards from the 'Max.

The Tikka S/L is 8",throated well and is in an '06 action wearing AR mag confines. Mags can be converted and I've of course done just that,but they suck heavy ass. There's nothing redeeming in the platform.

Baby Sako's are twisted schitty at 14",throated for wadcutters and wear trite mag confines. That is (0) of 3.

Blued/Walnut sucks the most ass and them facts reliably ignite Vagina Monologues,by them who shoot the least. Though them constants are funnier than fhuqk! Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who fabricates via their Imagination and it's Pretend.

Bang for the buck,there isn't anything that'll rival the S/A RAR wearing a 6x MQ for Utility. The Belle of the Ball is assuredly the Montucky and nothing else is even close. I'd much prefer a Krunchenticker over a Baby Sako,as they will fend abuse/weather in VASTLY superior fashion and 75BTHP's from mag confines at 2750fps from an 18" Middie do not suck. Hint.

There isn't a 22-250 worth a fhuqk,offered over the counter,as all the sound choices are twisted slow and the case design sucks ass. The S/S RAR is 10",but 10" is a Goat Fhuqk. A 1-8" 22-250AI is a fhuqking PHENOM,but not an all day/every day Utility Rifle...as that is solely 223/223AI Country. Hint.

I've 223AI's in 7,8,9,10,12 and 14" and they sure as fhuqk ain't "equal",nor close! Hint. Not that I don't enjoy the Clueless Window Licking Fhuqks feverish attempts to circumvent projectile selection and insert STUPIDITY instead. You'll note how none of the Dumb Fhuqks dared mention boolits,other than to emit an initial burst of Oblivious Dumbfhuqktitude,followed by that awkward silence,which is of course deafening. Hint. Laffin'!

Perhaps someone can PM Shefire and remind her for the bazillionth time,that Imitation is THE most sincere form of Flattery and that she could get into The Guinness Book yet again,by citing how many times she's told me that she "didn't care". She can't ever "remember" if her Imaginary Pretend Ignore is activated or not. Laffin'!

The next entry would of course be her equally impressive number of Cock Talks...though in fairness,there ain't NO slighting the DUMB Kchunt's taste in men. It's safe to say she's consumed with both(understatement!). Bless her heart. Laffin'!

Prolly a rather good call for the Paper Hat Brigade to fixate their countless insecurities,as a salve to all the things they almost did,all the wares they almost did it with and all the places they almost did them. Laffin'!!!

Luckily Imagination and Pretend are free,so everyone can "contribute",as the Do Nothing Gang's "reports" are beyond fhuqking hilarious.

I don't leave the house without a Montucky .378" boltface in tow and I have it on good authority,that there's a couple/few wares to choose from. Toss a 6x Fixed Fhuqker on board and 1000yds+++ is a breeze,with much left in reserve.

'Course it's easy for me to say,as I'm afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess and my hopes are that them facts,do not disconcert the Delusional too much and mitigate either their Imagination or it's Pretend.

Hint.

Laffin'!


(RAR COAL 'dendum)

The Hornie 75HPBT is 5th from far right of frame and nestled next to a 75'Max(nekked 70GMX on it's other side). SAS is your Plug & Play COAL Guy and you'll be granted 2.5"+ in the exchange,which will preclude the leap and arrange The Smooch. The HPBT's COAL to lands will be lesser than the 'Max's,if only obviously.

Shoot SAS a PM,plead the case that you ain't a Window Licker and have a clue.(grin)

Hint.

Not to derail the topic but need a bit of help. I have the RAR in .223 and the fixed optics. I had feeding troubles with the magazine but a little time tinkering and I get all 5 in the chamber without a bobble. Problem mentioned above is with the COL. Currently using the 75 HPBT seated deeply in the case. I saw someone on here was modifying the mags for better seating with the long bullets and wanted to know if these were for sale yet or is there an aftermarket magazine available? Thanks.