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lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle #9534098 01/21/15
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 576 R ruffedgrouse OP Campfire Regular
OP ruffedgrouse Campfire Regular R Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 576	OK pre-64 men, lets have a little fun. Its winter here in northern michigan so not good shooting weather. So lets pool our expertise and design the ideal hunting rifle for anything in North America built around a pre-64. We can start with the action of course, consider the pros and cons of the various cartridges and finally select a cartridge, then consider stock options, ideal dimensions, perfect optics, etc. We probably won't agree on much but it will be fun. There's no wrong idea, other than we stick with a pre-64 action to start. I'll start us off by throwing out a couple ideas and then you guys take it from there. Since we don't have a cartridge yet, lets just say we'll take a early 50's vintage action, but swap the steel bottom metal for a featherweight to save weight and have the bolt knob checkered for a little fast bolt work. OK, let the ideas start coming. Thanks for playing. Ruffed Grouse

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Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534187 01/21/15
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keystoneben Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,972 Northeastern Pennyslvania	50's FWT 30-06 VX3 2x8 or 3x9

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle keystoneben #9534264 01/21/15
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patbrennan Campfire Regular P Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,672 BC	Originally Posted by keystoneben 50's FWT 30-06 VX3 2x8 or 3x9 I might go for a slightly different stock (probably a brown or bansner) but hard to fault the other components! That or a 270/280 and take the big bears out of the equation. In a perfect world I'd have the bolt handle tweaked so I could mount the scope as low as possible, but that is just me!

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle patbrennan #9534410 01/21/15
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Poconojack Campfire Tracker P Joined: May 2010 Posts: 7,335 The West Mountain	Very hard to improve on the original.... "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle Poconojack #9534416 01/21/15
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noKnees Campfire Tracker N Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,168 johnstown, NY/Bloomfield CT	Originally Posted by Poconojack Very hard to improve on the original.... Well it could have been stainless The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. Under this Republic the rewards of industry belong to those who earn them. Coolidge

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Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle keystoneben #9534427 01/21/15
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900 B BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana
BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Vote with KeystoneBen because I have one just like his except in 270.But I have other 270's and 30/06's too. I have been dropping pre 64 M70's into aftermarket synthetic stocks since about 1979-1980 and hunting with them in calibers from 270 to 375H&h and many in between. Some of these have had custom barrels and some factory. From the standpoint of reliability,these rifles made it hard to justify a custom rifle. But some how I managed that, too. BSA has a picture of my retro custom 7 Rem Mag in wood stock that would qualify if a guy wants to do it with wood/blue.I've had similar rifles in 270 and 280. Sometimes I think excruciating over cartridges will drive you nuts. I've never come back from a hunt and complained I didn't get what I was after because I had the wrong cartridge. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534511 01/21/15
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Whitebird Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,551	Here would be my entry. Pre-War Model 70 .375 ACK Mag. Burgess/Hoenig.

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle Whitebird #9534537 01/21/15
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Originally Posted by Whitebird Here would be my entry. Pre-War Model 70 .375 ACK Mag. Burgess/Hoenig. That's really very unfair..... Two geniuses like them,together in the same rifle,makes lots of other stuff pale in comparison. My head hurts thinking about it. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle BobinNH #9534592 01/21/15
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john843 Campfire Regular J Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,296 s.c. coast	Really unfair..Yes. Absolutely beautiful-yes also.

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534669 01/21/15
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OP ruffedgrouse Campfire Regular R Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 576	Well, let's consider these questions: so this rifle will be used for north america from whitetails in the brush, elk, sheep in the mountains, to moose and the big bears. So what caliber and weight do we want to end up with? I'm thinking a 8 1/2# .300 Win. Mag. might do well with a barrel contour similar to the standard weight barrel (.600" at the muzzle). Any other votes for the .300 as caliber of choice?

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Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534755 01/21/15
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nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,079 Adirondack Mountains	Hypothetically, what could one accomplish with a .300 Win that one could not with a .30-06. Say a featherweight in a McMillan Edge? “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle Whitebird #9534790 01/21/15
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by Whitebird Here would be my entry. Pre-War Model 70 .375 ACK Mag. Burgess/Hoenig. What a junker. When are you going to get a nice rifle???

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle shrapnel #9534813 01/21/15
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Whitebird Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,551	Don't be a hater.

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534820 01/21/15
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born	Originally Posted by ruffedgrouse OK pre-64 men, lets have a little fun. Its winter here in northern michigan so not good shooting weather. So lets pool our expertise and design the ideal hunting rifle for anything in North America built around a pre-64. We can start with the action of course, consider the pros and cons of the various cartridges and finally select a cartridge, then consider stock options, ideal dimensions, perfect optics, etc. We probably won't agree on much but it will be fun. There's no wrong idea, other than we stick with a pre-64 action to start. I'll start us off by throwing out a couple ideas and then you guys take it from there. Since we don't have a cartridge yet, lets just say we'll take a early 50's vintage action, but swap the steel bottom metal for a featherweight to save weight and have the bolt knob checkered for a little fast bolt work. OK, let the ideas start coming. Thanks for playing. Ruffed Grouse BTDT. Way ahead of you buddy.. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534833 01/21/15
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born	Originally Posted by ruffedgrouse Well, let's consider these questions: so this rifle will be used for north america from whitetails in the brush, elk, sheep in the mountains, to moose and the big bears. So what caliber and weight do we want to end up with? I'm thinking a 8 1/2# .300 Win. Mag. might do well with a barrel contour similar to the standard weight barrel (.600" at the muzzle). Any other votes for the .300 as caliber of choice? I'm getting nauseas just thinking about a 300. Unless you were talking about the 300 savage Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle nyrifleman #9534840 01/21/15
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bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born	Originally Posted by nyrifleman Hypothetically, what could one accomplish with a .300 Win that one could not with a .30-06. Say a featherweight in a McMillan Edge? Exactamundo. Make mine a hunters compact with standard fill though. Hold the edge. No need: the standard fill hunters compact balances out perfectly with the 22" barreled fwt. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle nyrifleman #9534851 01/21/15
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pre6422hornet Campfire Member P Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 316	I have mine. 1949 .270 in a stock I inletted, finished, and checkered myself. Leupold QR mount for quick Lyman 48 interchangeability, 4x scope ( happens to be an old Burris). There is zero wood exposed. The entire action, magazine well, and barrel channel is epoxied in. And the old girl shoots too: That is a 200 yard 3 shot group fired prone over my backpack on the Wyoming prairie with the wind behind me. Love that rifle.

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle pre6422hornet #9534862 01/21/15
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bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born	That sure is a nice rifle. You do great work!! Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle pre6422hornet #9534961 01/21/15
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,061 Idaho Razz Campfire Regular
Razz Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,061 Idaho	[quote=pre6422hornet]I have mine. 1949 .270 in a stock I inletted, finished, and checkered myself. Leupold QR mount for quick Lyman 48 interchangeability, 4x scope ( happens to be an old Burris). There is zero wood exposed. The entire action, magazine well, and barrel channel is epoxied in. Dude, that is one beautiful looking gun! I'm here working in southern Michigan in the snow looking at this and can't wait to get home tomorrow to send picks of my entry. Sorry guys but I'm of the Elmer Keith school and since no 333OKH, i'll gladly take my Alaskan in 338. There's 2 dates they carve on your tombstone. Everyone knows what they mean. What's more important is time that is known as the little dash inbetween. Razz

Re: lets design ideal old 70 hunting rifle ruffedgrouse #9534998 01/21/15
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OP ruffedgrouse Campfire Regular R Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 576	beautiful rifle razz: did you stock it from the blank or get it semi-inletted? Its so beautiful it might be hard to take on a rough weather hunt. You did a great job. Congrats !! thanks for sharing !!

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