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Yes. Lapua .223 Goodness. ![[Linked Image]](http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c187/twofish/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps1cd4056f.jpg) I use it often in many rifles that I really want to get the best out of. twofish
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Well, I bought a box w/100 brass so we're going to find out! I'll use my Lake City brass in my ARs.
Bob
Enjoy life now -- it has an expiration date.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Welcome to the elite.
Have a cigar and a fine beverage, AFTER you're done loading, of course.
Up hills slow,
Down hills fast
Tonnage first and
Safety last.
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Agree on the Win primer pockets loosening up sooner. I find they only last 3-5 firings where LC brass lasts much longer. you boys ever considering toning down you load a hair? I have Win Brass that has been fired 40+ reloads...they are neck sized and then the shoulder bumped back when needed, annealed every 4th reload...and my loads are in the 45,000 CUP range... they are used for high volume varmint shooting...bot action..
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It was reinforced for me yesterday why Lapua is a good idea. I just bought a varmint weight, short throated 6.5x55. While it was in the mail, I ordered the usual Redding dies and 100 Lapua. It showed up with a bag of new WW brass. Since this rifle will be used for long range doggies in addition to target, I decided to load up some of the WW for coyotes. What a waste of time. Of the 20 I loaded, over half have runout from 5 to 8+ thou. Talk about bananas! Expecting the rifle to shoot with those is like feeding a Formula 1 car kerosene and expecting it to be competitive. I checked the dies, and they are fine. I loaded a few rounds with Lapua brass and all were under 2 thou runout. At least the coyotes and wolves will know I have class when they get shot with Lapua brass!  Just wondering, did you try shooting the stuff you call banana's?
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Don, I've done the same banana thing twice as an experiment, in a 2506 and a 204.
It matters, quite a lot. Something like a 50 percent reduction in group size, or more. I was amazed and horrified.
Bananas in their own group was like double or more the groups of the good, straight brass.
A small chamber moderates the effect somewhat, but blowing out and fireforming on centerline is a surprising big deal.
Now, I just glance at fired cases and if I have any doubt, I'll roll them on a leveled mirror. If I can see a wobble, it's gone. At two bits and counting per shot these days, I want to hit stuff.
Up hills slow,
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Tonnage first and
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Big fan of Lapua, but haven't really put it to much use in my 1:8 T3, just a few to run up and see where pressure is. I'm at 2,930 with 75 Amax kissing the lands. We'll see how they fair this weekend. I'll only use the Lapua with that bullet and LC brass will get 50 VMax. On any NIB rifle, I run a box of factory ammo through initally to see whats up. Shot #4 is to the left, 5,6,7 on the right. Not shabby for factory 75 HPBT ![[Linked Image]](http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/16bore/24%20Hr/75hpbt_zpscd2eb265.jpg) Be sure to report your findings once you start burning powder. Curious to see how your results compare to mine.
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Agree on the Win primer pockets loosening up sooner. I find they only last 3-5 firings where LC brass lasts much longer. you boys ever considering toning down you load a hair? I have Win Brass that has been fired 40+ reloads...they are neck sized and then the shoulder bumped back when needed, annealed every 4th reload...and my loads are in the 45,000 CUP range... Seafire, I just saw this and thought I'd respond. I'm a Win brass fan and it's usually my go to domestic brass of choice. This is especially true in .308 Win. However, in .223, I find that the pockets go pretty quick. In saying this, my loads are: .223: 25 gr of Benchmark behind a 55gr VMAX giving me 3,167 fps .223 AI: 26.2 gr RL-15 behind a 75gr VMAX giving me 2940 fps With that said, I don't feel like my loads are really that hot. I've come to really like LC brass and feel that the primer pockets stay tighter longer. they are used for high volume varmint shooting...bot action..
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I've got 22 loadings on both sets of 6.5x47 Lapua brass I have for my two rifles. I anneal every 1-3 firings. I don't over work the brass, only setting the shoulder back about .001" to .0015". I use Redding Type S bushing dies, sizing the necks .001" in one rifle and .002" in the other. The extra cost has definitely paid for itself several times over.
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A lot of people hold Lapua in high regard but I don't.
I had some Lapua loaded ammo neck split in the sealed boxes.
Its going to need to be priced really low for me to ever buy any more...I've got pre WW2 ammo and even a few Spencer and Henry cartridges that don't have neck splits.
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Over on Accurate shooters forum a couple guys mentioned they match prep LC 223 brass and it shoots just as well as Lapua, FWIW I think this is the advantage of the Lapua over LC. The Lapua is 'match prepped' from the pretty blue box. For colony shooting, I will stay with LC and prep it. For everything else, theres Lapua.
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