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I am in agreement. Elk is an entirely different subject.
We wouldn't agree there either. *wink*
(Big bore fan!!)
God Bless and thanks again! OK Steve end of conversation. We are talking apples and oranges. 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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WRT the sometimes heated discussions that happen here, just relax, sit back and watch the fun. The entertainment you get is cheaper than pay per view. A bowel of pop corn really helps. 
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No clue myself George. Today is the first I have seen it.
God Bless
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doubletap,
Yeah, if you're not determined to shoot beyond 500, the old-time solutions still work.
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No clue, myself George. Today is the first I have seen it.
God Bless Was addressed to Steve Redgwell.
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Sorry......missed his first name was same as mine. 
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I remember hearing about this Steve. Wasn't it found on a parchment in one of the caves of Morduur -- the Revelation to Tikka.
It surely was. An obscure work by an unknown person, entitled Caminus Periculum - Dangerous Forge. This document also contained advice on the stock market - when a stock market was a place for trading animals. One particularly telling entry was about cattle being struck with open sores in the spring of the year. "Beware the hides of March..." or words to that effect. It has been years since my studies. Ave! (pronounced ah-VEY!)
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Yeah...........there is probably 37 other threads on the same subject. Not much "new" out there we can hash over but every one I've read on the subject of "what a bullet is SUPPOSED to do".......no one agrees on squat. Ya'll ever realize how danged confusing this makes it for anyone picking a bullet? 100 percent of us will agree on one thing >>>>> Bullet PLACEMENT is king. Yup. I agree too. The rest of it? I think we "over think" it for everything but stuff that may jump up and bite us or perhaps trample us into broken pieces while running away. Some bullets have a great following and they rant on how they retain "9999.99 percent bullet weight recovery" (an exaggeration.) Those using another bullet type (or maybe 2) rant how their bullet "goes in 2-3 inches and comes apart doing maximum damage". Another bullet type has as many followers who quote that their bullets "loses xy percent of it's weight but the rest stays together and passes through". Allegedly a combination of bullet 1 and bullet 2. Then we have the crew that insists the bullets with .02 higher BC shoot so flat that they can put the bullet "exactly where they want it" (right) when they "gain" that .7 inches of trajectory. I actually saw a post recently where the long time member of that WELL known site said "he didn't care what the bullet DID as long as he could put it right where he wanted"(he thinks) and another 1/4 MOA of accuracy was ALL that counted. For the time being lets totally IGNORE the medium speed heavy bullet vs the super rocket light bullet never ending debate. Ya'll give me a humongous headache.  Every one of these bullets is the best thing since sliced bread!! Just ask those who use them! For DEER sized, aka medium class animals, SINCE we all agree on bullet placement being the MANDATORY criteria to be met for DRT kills..........are we just beating a dead horse er uh deer? I CONTINUALLY read rants over "bullet failure" with photos shown of bullet pieces/parts taken from some deceased critter (that more often than not "didn't go far"). Uh hello? I've never seen a photo of a bullet that FAILED because live deer won't hold still long enough to let one dig it out!!  Me thinks I'm going to pick up some ye ol' Speer Hot Cor or Hornady Interlocks and go shoot deer!!! This is not TRUELY a "RANT" but perhaps a chance for each to offer their own "viewpoint".....KEEPING IN MIND this is all in good fun and not a battleground.........please!! What say ye Gunwriters and fellow Campfire brethren? DOES IT REALLY MATTER in what way the bullet does it's job?  God Bless I didn't read thru your whole post buddy. But if you said in there somewhere that all you use is Nosler partitions, you are in good company... Keep doing what you are doing...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Partition is never the wrong answer.
Next question...... I thought Bob was going to tell Steve to just use a partition and STFU... But Bob and Steve are 2 nice guys. Just 2 nice...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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How confusing can Nosler Partition be;)
Well once you get past how to open the box, the rest is easy...
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In the past few years I've learned that an Accubond is an awesome bullet. In hindsight though, I learned all I ever really needed to know about bullets in 1972, the first year I discovered a Nosler partition, the standard by which all other hunting bullets are judged, for over 60 years.
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The bullet technology that is still not invented is the radioactive coating we can scan with an app on our cell phone so we can locate easily and save on autopsy time.
On that basis, all bullets are still prototypes?
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
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I think I have a corpse finder app on my smart phone...
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Sorry, but I have seen far too many failed bullets inside dead animals... Animals that may not have died in a fashion near timely enough to prevent shedding of my, or others' blood had they not met a bullet that did not fail... and left two holes.
To date I have yet to see an Accubond that did not fail by my standards. 100% captured in animals I have watched shot with them from deer to Kodiak bears. While a small sample group, the results are more than telling to me. At the same time I have never personally captured a bullet with an X stamped on the base.
While most of my deer hunting is done where big bears live and my needs may go beyond the needs of a West Texas hog shooter, my bullet choices also work everywhere else, damage considerably less meat on equal shot placement, and cost less at local retail prices...
Plays like a winning card followed by two trumps...
How many consider shooting a small brown bear with a .257 80gr bullet a stunt? The lightest NPT is not even made that light and gives up significant velocity with a 25% increase in weight... I would not consider shooting a brown bear with one without very specific conditions being met... I would not hesitate with the TTSX 80gr under any reasonable conditions.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Here's the long and short of it!
Bullets work a lot better than most shooters thereof!!
Even birds know not to land downwind!
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This was my contention earlier from a friend just last week.
He refused to point his 100gr. .264 Partitions at running gear on the hogs, after I had told him on the phone five minutes earlier to do just that.
He shot four hogs at dusk and found only one. The only one he tried breaking the shoulder with.
I'm sure every one died with bullets stuck in the offside hide and jellied lungs, but a 264 entrance hole on a Russian mix doesn't bleed worth a whoop and hunting the cover he was in (brushy oak fauna with hog rooting all over) made tracking in the dark tough.
Some Partitions will go clear through most hogs with lung shots, but the 100gr. .264 isn't at the top of that list.
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Yup that very thing has found me looking under a good mag to count the fart bubbles in a tub.grin
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Yeah...........there is probably 37 other threads on the same subject. Not much "new" out there we can hash over but every one I've read on the subject of "what a bullet is SUPPOSED to do".......no one agrees on squat. Ya'll ever realize how danged confusing this makes it for anyone picking a bullet? 100 percent of us will agree on one thing >>>>> Bullet PLACEMENT is king. Yup. I agree too. The rest of it? I think we "over think" it for everything but stuff that may jump up and bite us or perhaps trample us into broken pieces while running away. Some bullets have a great following and they rant on how they retain "9999.99 percent bullet weight recovery" (an exaggeration.) Those using another bullet type (or maybe 2) rant how their bullet "goes in 2-3 inches and comes apart doing maximum damage". Another bullet type has as many followers who quote that their bullets "loses xy percent of it's weight but the rest stays together and passes through". Allegedly a combination of bullet 1 and bullet 2. Then we have the crew that insists the bullets with .02 higher BC shoot so flat that they can put the bullet "exactly where they want it" (right) when they "gain" that .7 inches of trajectory. I actually saw a post recently where the long time member of that WELL known site said "he didn't care what the bullet DID as long as he could put it right where he wanted"(he thinks) and another 1/4 MOA of accuracy was ALL that counted. For the time being lets totally IGNORE the medium speed heavy bullet vs the super rocket light bullet never ending debate. Ya'll give me a humongous headache. Every one of these bullets is the best thing since sliced bread!! Just ask those who use them! For DEER sized, aka medium class animals, SINCE we all agree on bullet placement being the MANDATORY criteria to be met for DRT kills..........are we just beating a dead horse er uh deer? I CONTINUALLY read rants over "bullet failure" with photos shown of bullet pieces/parts taken from some deceased critter (that more often than not "didn't go far"). Uh hello? I've never seen a photo of a bullet that FAILED because live deer won't hold still long enough to let one dig it out!! Me thinks I'm going to pick up some ye ol' Speer Hot Cor or Hornady Interlocks and go shoot deer!!! This is not TRUELY a "RANT" but perhaps a chance for each to offer their own "viewpoint".....KEEPING IN MIND this is all in good fun and not a battleground.........please!! What say ye Gunwriters and fellow Campfire brethren? DOES IT REALLY MATTER in what way the bullet does it's job? God Bless You're over thinking it. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/muddler/pig%20pen/DSCN2968_zpse097a38d.jpg)
I am..........disturbed.
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All carry on as you wish since the path is of interest to a few..but:
MY original question is about type
and the entire rest of my post disappeared......again.
I have the dangedest time here.
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Thanks Dan.
I was typing when you replied.
I am in agreement but the opinions offered are interesting albeit a bit off track.
God Bless
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