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The 300 WSM has been on the market for only 14-15 years. It has outsold the 270 by a wide margin in its 1st 14 years. In fact the 270 was darn near dropped after 20 years of production because it was so little used. Don't give up on a round too soon. I think that in another generation the 300 WSM will surpass the 300WM in popularity just as the 300 WM surpassed the 300 H&H. And for the same reasons.

Which "270" are you talking about?

So your gripe is that Jameson didn't act with the best interests of the shooting world as a whole (i.e. cheaper products for everyone) when he filed suit????


Make no mistake about it, big corporations will steamroll the little guy any time they get the chance. Looks like that is what they tried to do here. Good for Jameson having the stones to take them on, IMO.

I would not have put the word almost in that statement.

8mmwapiti

one more time



This photo is of a 7mm Wade Super Seven on the left, 7 WSM in the middle and .300 WSM on the right. The 7mm Wade Super Seven is listed on page 396 of P. O. Ackley's volume 1 of Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders. this book was copyrighted in 1962.

so, is the middle cartridge a 'new cartridge' worthy of a patent, or is it just a copy of the cartridge on the left with 'minor changes'? I see minor changes from Wade's earlier cartridge, which, in turn, would mean Jamison is doing to Wade exactly what Olin is accused of doing to Jamison. 'good for him' right?

I've also read some of the court docs and have come to the conclusion that Jamison and Winchester/Olin did indeed have an expressed/implied contract that Winchester/Olin would not sell any "JRW" like cartridges until an agreement was signed with Jamison.

In at least one jurisdiction Winchester/Olin tried to get the case thrown out of court and failed, lost in another and finally settled with Jamison out of court.

As I see it, Winchester/Olin could have continued contesting the issue in court but would have been throwing good money after bad.

That parasite may have won, but the SOB lost his job over it...as he should have. Damn....it wasn't like he invented short/fat....glad they got rid of him and his oversized ego.

Do you ever wonder if Rick Jamison hangs out here on the 'fire? Interesting thought......

Brad;
Good evening to you sir, hopefully this finds you and yours doing well.

While they aren't "short and fat" I know one of the principal developers of the Canadian Imperial Magnum line quite well.





As I'm given to understand events, no less than Remington had a close look at these before bringing out their RUM line.

Anyway, all that being said, if any company chooses to make or not make any reloading component I'm OK with either decision. Goodness knows its tough enough for any of us to guess the markets and keep a few folks working these days.

All the best to you and yours Brad.

Dwayne

Funny you would see this as part of a pariah society and support a woman that killed her son by failing to follow the very basics of firearm safety with a firearm that would not repeat what she claimed happened.

Jamison had agreements reaching levels the judge decided were contractual and Winchester elected to violate those agreements. Nothing else matters and it has NOTHING to do with primacy, originality, or motivation, period.

The Wade cartridge is too long, even for a Winchester action, BTW...

I'm curious how someone becomes a "parasite" for protecting a contractual right in the face of a breach by the other party to a contract?

How's that work?

I received a similar treatise from Crimson Trace when I inquired whether they would be offering green lasers. They assured that would NEVER happen. Not even 6 months later I began seeing ad's for green lasers by Crimson Trace.

I used to really like Hornady. They offered a fine selection of bullets, particularly the round noses I prefer for short range woods hunting. Then, they just completely lost their minds. They discontinued much of their bullet line, started marketing "Zombie" nonsense, and now have cheapened their reloading equipment and liken their cartridges to hot rods...replete with exhaust pipes with flames coming out of them. Goodbye Hornady.

Only Sierra has remained a quality company with their tried and true bullets remaining unchanged and extremely effective. The rest all have to use anything other than lead, or put colorful tips on their bullets to attract the idiots. The whole sport of hunting/shooting is changing...I see it when I speak to any young hunter, and not for the better.

Let�s change the perspective a bit. You design a house, complete with architectural drawings and a patent some features of the design. You then take the completed design to a major builder who likes the design, plans to build gazillions of them, starts contract negotiations with you to license the design, builds a house according to the plan and schedules an open house for it and invites media writers to attend the open house.

On the day of or late the day before the open house the licensing contract has not been signed and the builder seeks your permission to go ahead with the open house on condition that the builder will not build or sell any houses similar to that design unless or until the license agreement is signed. You consent to that condition and the open house proceeds.

You are expecting that the licensing agreement will include some royalties or other remuneration for your work in creating and documenting the design, for which you have a patent. Then the builder decides , no, they are not interested but about a year later comes out with a nearly identical design, contrary to the previous agreement. Further, the proceed to sell gazillions of the houses, also contrary to the previous agreement.

Granted, people have been building houses for many years and the one you designed built upon previous designs. That fact, however, is not the primary issue � the primary issue is breach of contract, which results in a significant monetary loss to you.

You seek redress for your grievances in court. The builder attempts to get the case tossed out on summary judgment and fails and they lose in another court case. Then, because they see the writing on the wall, they settle out of court.

According to your logic above, you are a �parasite� and an �SOB� with an �oversized ego� for defending your rights in court.

A smart business decision is to meet customer's demands. Assumably, that is the original impetus in any fledgling businesss. When the manufacturers begin making demands on the customers, that's not a smart business decision.

Love the 300 WSM. Wouldn't look twice at the 300 H&H althought they are the same.



Do some serious pouting.

Never trust a man with a pencil thin mustache.

Although I like Hornady, I feel the same way about some of these gimmicks. I realize they're all trying to appeal to a different demographic, but it still makes me roll my eyes every time I see it. If I run across a zombie someday, I'll sure be wishing I had zombie killers instead of my plain old V-Max bullets...;)

Popularity normally shows where the school fish are feeding.

It certainly does not reflect the work-a-day load bearers of the industry.

Those who roll their own know a good cartridge when they see it. Matters not who created it or what the fuss is with the money whores behind the scenes. When the demand becomes apparent there are enough companies that will make the components available, even to the extent of upstarting for that sole purpose. Starline is one example.