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Should you be able to tuck the safety lever up under the bolt handle like that? Kaiser Norton
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Does anyone know how much these are going to sell for.
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According to their website $950-$1,450 depending on options.
Options being floor type/dbm's, the integral rail, bolt fluting, etc etc et c
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I am thinking a leaner double square bridge that accepts Talley QD's would be pretty slick option.
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I wonder how it feeds. IMO that is the biggest downfall of the clone actions is feeding. I think most guys just go with box magazines so its solved for them. but on a hunting rifle a box mag isn't the best choice. I use the old style HS box mag setup on my bat machine. I like it better than the new unit they sell.
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The controlled round feed is an option for most of their actions, it's $150.
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Ohhhhh......Myyyy....
If I did not already have my gun assembleage quite complete, or if I was starting to build a batch of "Best of the Best" riles again, I would absolutely start out with 1/2 dozen or so of these (funds allowing, of course)
For those with the bucks, this is an absolutely amazing and wonderful time to be building some custom rifles.
Someone finally went and did it, built the best thing going, near on to perfect rifle action.
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Oh wow! This will be what I finally build my 6.5 SAUM on.
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Good thing I didn't hear about this one before I bought the Weatherbys. I wouldn't want to insult them by picking a Weatherby over that on purpose.
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Held this action at SHOT also. Sooooo many options, and these guys are awesome to work with. These are the good ol' days!
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Looks like a montana with and integral rail.
Nice.
Wish the trigger was an old M70 design. Other than that it looks darn near perfect.
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Don't be pissed fellas. It could be worse. You could be like me. After waiting a few months, I received the most amazing action for a dream rifle from Defiance......and a 3 position safety from PTG. I was just about to fit the safety and proceed without CRF when these new options were announced. Needless to say I was on the phone right away but alas, they say they won't add CRF to my completed action and I am awaiting a returned call to see if they'll add the safety. No matter, great product and operation.
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Anyone have a link to Defaince's site for this action? Could not find it on there.
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Same here, I couldn't find any info on the website. Probably too new and the website hasn't been updated.
I'm sure EddieF speaks the truth about a $150 upgrade to any of their actions.
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I have two PF Defiance Rebels with the 3 position safe from Dave Gentry.Two of the very first so converted.
Defiance push feed actions are some of the slickest functioning actions ever built.
I'd be hard pressed to spend 150 more for something I dont need.
Jewell triggers are very nice.I have about 6 of them.
I would never put one on a hunting rifle.
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This stuff is not on their website yet, but you can order these now if you want. Lead time is around 3-4 months I was told by them.
Not cheap, but if you see what LH winnys are going for, this is a real bargain for the LH's.
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I could be way out on a limb here, but I don't think that this action was intended to be a modern day mod 70. The owner, Glen Harrison, said that a lot of his customers were asking for a CRF option, so he obliged them.
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They are a great outfit to deal with.
And I have delt with them on several occasions.
If a person likes M70s Theres alot here to like.
You could get the top of the action configured just about any way you like.No other action builder does that.Least none that im aware of.
The out come of how well this action will work out for feeding will have more to do with the skill of the smith that builds it, than anything Defiance does...
For Defiance.Its just one more tool is there box.
My hats off to them.
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Don't be pissed fellas. It could be worse. You could be like me. After waiting a few months, I received the most amazing action for a dream rifle from Defiance......and a 3 position safety from PTG. I was just about to fit the safety and proceed without CRF when these new options were announced. Needless to say I was on the phone right away but alas, they say they won't add CRF to my completed action and I am awaiting a returned call to see if they'll add the safety. No matter, great product and operation. A WAG would be that they are set up to add the CRF option when they are CNC'd from the start and they don't do it after the bolt is completed from the machining process. Same probably applies to the action top configuration regarding what type of mounts you'll be using. I can't imagine how difficult it would be if a customer had a integral rail or any other type milled in base configuration from the start and then decide they want them milled off to say a Remington bridge config after the action body was completed. Obviously it would have to be an entirely separate, post action completion operation. Decide what you want from the start or pay huge bucks to a machinist/gunsmith to mill off the integral mounts. Might as well sell it and start over. Me, I would have a Remington rear bridge so I could have a zillion aftermarket bases to choose from.
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Spoke with them today to get some additional details on their new options. Had a nice, informative conversation: - As noted previously, the CRF option is $150. It is only available on the Med, XM, and Long-size actions with the .700" bolt. They plan on eventually offering CRF on the XL models and .750" bolts, at some point.
- Their 3-pos. safety option is $225 and is a proprietary component. If you choose this feature, they will request that you send them the trigger you plan on using so that they can time everything.
- One thing they mentioned on the CRF option: This will only be available with their 30-degree Cone bolt-face configuration. This eliminates the need for the extractor cut on the barrel but would be a consideration when having the barrel fitted.
- Orders for the CRF and 3-pos. safety are about 90 days out.
Had looked at Defiance previously and was certainly impressed. Ultimately decided to pass then. Now though, with the new options, a CM Rebel sounds tempting.
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Just sent them an email about getting a Rebel long action with the 3 pos safety option. Looks like you answered my question. I also liked the look of the facets on the Nesika and Jarrett actions too and they said, no problem. Hope they can get rid of the Remington style safety cut out as that would cover up any place for water/dirt/ice to get down into the trigger. Have to see if McMillan offers that fill in on their stocks as well. Otherwise, it'll get the bondo treatment I guess.
Wonder if their 3 pos safety/bolt shroud is made from Stainless Steel.
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Gents, They look like nice actions. And I appreciate the fact that they are available in LH for no additional upcharge.
However, I gotta ask... For a person like myself who is looking for an accurate hunting rifle, not a bench rest rifle, after I add up the cost for all of the "options", what I am getting with a Defiance that I don't get with an MRC 1999 action at about half the cost ?
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fwiw,
Between this and GA Precision's new Tempest I dunno which action to build on first. Like CRF, however, also like three lugs, 60 degree bolt, that feeds from a double column AI AW Magazine...
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Have to see if McMillan offers that fill in on their stocks as well. Otherwise, it'll get the bondo treatment I guess. RD. When I talked to Defiance. They said when talking with McMillian to say Gap Templar inlet. McMillian has everything for it. Defiance Rebels can be ordered with a long tennon.Its .125 longer than M700. Something to keep track of when ordering from Defiance or McMillian. Both my Rebels have long tennons... dave
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fwiw,
Between this and GA Precision's new Tempest I dunno which action to build on first. Like CRF, however, also like three lugs, 60 degree bolt, that feeds from a double column AI AW Magazine...
Regards, Matt. Saw the shot show video on that. 60 degree bolt lifts and double column feeding. Make you go hummmm...... dave
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Does the Templar inlet not have the safety cut out on them ?
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Im thinking the Templar inlet would have the safty cutout.
The m70 safe is a pretty new development for Defiance.
Im sure McMillian could alter that, if you talked nice to them.
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Dave, RDF,
Do you know if Defiance offers an integral rail that is extended beyond the receiver?
How about a right-hand action, with 3-pos on the port-side?
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Templar inlet has the safety cutout. Templar in a McMillan Hunters Edge: ![[Linked Image]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Kimber7man/0B261437-3CAF-4CC9-9A4D-FD5FA60C0CFC.jpg)
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You can specify no safety cut on any McMillan stock.
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Just installed a Huber trigger set at 2.5 lbs on a Defiance Deviant long action currently with magnum bolt and .300 win mag barrel, and that trigger is amazing.
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Have to see if McMillan offers that fill in on their stocks as well. Otherwise, it'll get the bondo treatment I guess. RD. When I talked to Defiance. They said when talking with McMillian to say Gap Templar inlet. McMillian has everything for it. Defiance Rebels can be ordered with a long tennon.Its .125 longer than M700. Something to keep track of when ordering from Defiance or McMillian. Both my Rebels have long tennons... dave Mine is .250 longer
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I did not see this. I did not see this. I did not see this... I didn't see anything either!!!!!! 
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Gents, They look like nice actions. And I appreciate the fact that they are available in LH for no additional upcharge.
However, I gotta ask... For a person like myself who is looking for an accurate hunting rifle, not a bench rest rifle, after I add up the cost for all of the "options", what I am getting with a Defiance that I don't get with an MRC 1999 action at about half the cost ?
I've played with Montana actions, new and old, and Defiance push feed actions. The M 1999 actions are no better than a Winchester 70 action. They may advertise themselves as a custom action but the fit and finish does not compare to a Defiance. Unless you pay extra. Defiance starts with better materials, use better machines, and is run by one of the top people in the industry. Tighter tolerances and every surface is perfect and true from the factory. With a good smith there will be no doubt your gun will shoot bragging size group and be a pleasure to own and use. Less work to find a load it likes, stock that you want, custom barrel, all done how you want. With a M1999, it would probably shoot well. It would be a good hunting rifle, like a M70. It's built "good enough". But if your going a custom route, spend a little more for a gun that's a true custom. If your stepping up to a true custom M1999 your going to spend just as much for a Defiance built rifle, and the Defiance is better.
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I did not see this. I did not see this. I did not see this... I didn't see anything either!!!!!! C'mon, you know you want about four of 'em...
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Ordered a short action LH, with 3 pos safety.
Now the wait begins
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The Build: Defiance, LH, Rebel, Tactical bolt knob, no rail, 3 pos safety 308 Win, Bartlein #4 11.25 twist finished at 20", Threaded for suppressor. Bartlien in install the tube. Manners MCS-t Stock, Gap Camo. Sunny Hill machine Hinged Floor Plate. TImney. 3-10 Nightforce SHV in talleys. GAP rifles will cerakote in OD Green, pillar bed/Marinetex, etc. Christmas or so it should be done. BMT
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7 year old thread,
Any updates or thoughts on these actions, and about the CRF………
Ya know how something will just impress the hell out of ya and make you sit up,,,,
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I’ve got one. Haven’t used it it yet. Kinda wanna order another with a standard bolt face for a 270/280.
My current one is very slick, but it’s a mag bolt face.
Don’t know if there is a better made for the money.
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I can't believe they would choose to build the thing with the stupid coned breech. Apart from that, it's a real nice action. GD
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Should you be able to tuck the safety lever up under the bolt handle like that? Kaiser Norton Hmmm... good point. In the 1st pic it snuggles up right close to the bolt handle. It appears you'd have to come up over the top of the safety lever to push it back onto safe.
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so tell me guys: how is this action superior to a pre-64 M70 or post-64 crf M70 action that's been slicked up a bit?
slicker feeding?
more rugged trigger?
smoother action safety?
cheaper?
stronger?
stronger recoil lug?
Educate me here.
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so tell me guys: how is this action superior to a pre-64 M70 or post-64 crf M70 action that's been slicked up a bit?
slicker feeding?
more rugged trigger?
smoother action safety?
cheaper?
stronger?
stronger recoil lug?
Educate me here. I’ll tell ya how it’s superior to me, It’s available……….In a Lefty version………Did I mention, It’s available.. If your right handed, you may not understand.
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Very nice. Would love to see a pic of the bolt face on that baby.
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Very nice. Would love to see a pic of the bolt face on that baby. This is from their website if it helps give you an idea. ![[Linked Image from defiancemachine.com]](https://defiancemachine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ControlledRoundFeedNose-1024x969.jpg)
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And me with a $300 off certificate for defiance…. I was gonna get the older version….
Is this a true crf? I was told (the older variant) was more like a rem700 with a claw…whereby the claw snapped over the case rim upon closing of the bolt…
Damn a modern .375 or .416 on this action would be pretty sick!
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And me with a $300 off certificate for defiance…. I was gonna get the older version….
Is this a true crf? I was told (the older variant) was more like a rem700 with a claw…whereby the claw snapped over the case rim upon closing of the bolt…
Damn a modern .375 or .416 on this action would be pretty sick! Older version? Curious to hear what changes they made.
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Very nice. Would love to see a pic of the bolt face on that baby. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/jq8LkHxT/8-A5-FA534-8384-4023-A048-9-BD72-B26-E7-F2.jpg)
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I’ve got one. Haven’t used it it yet. Kinda wanna order another with a standard bolt face for a 270/280.
My current one is very slick, but it’s a mag bolt face.
Don’t know if there is a better made for the money. Keep us posted Scotty. I'm curious
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And me with a $300 off certificate for defiance…. I was gonna get the older version….
Is this a true crf? I was told (the older variant) was more like a rem700 with a claw…whereby the claw snapped over the case rim upon closing of the bolt…
Damn a modern .375 or .416 on this action would be pretty sick! That’s where I’m sorta thinking. I got it to be a 300 RUM but I’m not sure anymore. Might become a big 35 instead or 338.
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I am thinking a leaner double square bridge that accepts Talley QD's would be pretty slick option. I agree .... That one needs to be more along the classic lines, not so angular in shape and without that huge rail on the top.
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I am thinking a leaner double square bridge that accepts Talley QD's would be pretty slick option. I agree .... That one needs to be more along the classic lines, not so angular in shape and without that huge rail on the top. Yeah - it's funny they facet the action to reduce weight then add it back on with a heavy rail. But the heavy Picatinny style is de rigueur. It is a good system regardless, and could obviously be swapped out. I like the action.
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I am thinking a leaner double square bridge that accepts Talley QD's would be pretty slick option. I agree .... That one needs to be more along the classic lines, not so angular in shape and without that huge rail on the top. Yeah - it's funny they facet the action to reduce weight then add it back on with a heavy rail. But the heavy Picatinny style is de rigueur. It is a good system regardless, and could obviously be swapped out. I like the action. That’s why I got the GA Hunter version. I don’t like full rails on my guns but I like the multi slot atop the action with a cutout above the bolt for clearance for my hands. https://defiancemachine.com/actions/deviant/deviant-ultralight/I’m pretty sure you could do the Deviant UL as well to minimize weight even further, but I was worried about getting about adjustment out of it since they seem like they are spread apart pretty good. I think AKWOLVERINE has the UL version, but don’t hold me to it.
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That’s why I got the GA Hunter version. I don’t like full rails on my guns but I like the multi slot atop the action with a cutout above the bolt for clearance for my hands. That makes sense.
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defiance makes real nice actions in many flavors.i own 4 rifles with them,the only one i feel steps it up a wee bit is jim bordens actions,especially the rimrock action.as far as the defiance controlled feed i like it a lot.dont need one at this time because when mark penrod works over your mod 70 it is pure perfection.built me a 338 and 375 years ago.mr echols and mr simillion do fine work.tremendous quality.mark is a better chamberer and quite a bit less.
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Yeah - it's funny they facet the action to reduce weight then add it back on with a heavy rail. But the heavy Picatinny style is de rigueur. It is a good system regardless, and could obviously be swapped out.
I like the action. Defiance is a true custom action company. They have a lot of options and will do a lot of one off stuff on their actions that they just don’t advertise to keep their ads less cluttered. My Deviant is that way, just takes a call.
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What stock inlet do you use for these?? Are they custom inlets or also a 700 inlet?
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What stock inlet do you use for these?? Are they custom inlets or also a 700 inlet? 700 inlet.
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That is pretty sweet a CRF action 3 position safety with all the options that come with 700 inlet sticks. Model 70’s are hard to find since McMillan limited their offerings for the 70.
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Beretz what finish is that? Blued? I saw they offer a black nitride as well.
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The bolt face I posted of mine is black nitride. I believe B’s is as well. And he is correct, I do have the UL version.
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Are y’all planning to get the barrel nitrided also. Was thinking if it would be better to get the whole thing put together and then nitride?? I may have to get one of these.
I am really not happy with either one of you right now. I was fine not knowing anything about this but now can think of little else. 😂
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Ok, at the risk of being unfriendly here,
I’ll pass along what I was told about Black Nitride,
I bumped this 7 year old thread because I’m going to have a Custom rifle made,
The Rifle maker uses Defiance actions almost exclusively,
When we were talking about the build I asked about Black Nitride,
He said they are about to move away from BN, doesn’t seem to last according to them….
I’ve never had a action or rifle with BN so take it for what it’s worth.
Me, I’ll be going with plain ole Stainless , Action and barrel,
I rolled the dice on a previous build with a different coating, No interest to do it again.
You guys with a BN action or barrel, and it’s worked for you,,,, feel free to call me crazy.
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Are y’all planning to get the barrel nitrided also. Was thinking if it would be better to get the whole thing put together and then nitride?? I may have to get one of these.
I am really not happy with either one of you right now. I was fine not knowing anything about this but now can think of little else. 😂 I was going to do the action in nitride and the barrel in a matching cerrakote.
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Ok, at the risk of being unfriendly here,
I’ll pass along what I was told about Black Nitride,
I bumped this 7 year old thread because I’m going to have a Custom rifle made,
The Rifle maker uses Defiance actions almost exclusively,
When we were talking about the build I asked about Black Nitride,
He said they are about to move away from BN, doesn’t seem to last according to them….
I’ve never had a action or rifle with BN so take it for what it’s worth.
Me, I’ll be going with plain ole Stainless , Action and barrel,
I rolled the dice on a previous build with a different coating, No interest to do it again.
You guys with a BN action or barrel, and it’s worked for you,,,, feel free to call me crazy. I thought BN was impregnated in the metal and was not a surface coating? If so, I wonder what they mean by lasting?
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My understanding of BN is the hardening of the metal and the corrosion protection never wears off but the appearance of the can change fairly easily and makes it look like the finish has worn off but it is aesthetic only.
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My understanding of BN is the hardening of the metal and the corrosion protection never wears off but the appearance of the can change fairly easily and makes it look like the finish has worn off but it is aesthetic only. That's my idea of it as well. I have seen a few that have been hunted hard and still look great.
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That action looks amazing. As an alternative, take a look at American Rifle Company's "Mausingfield". I had Chad Dixon at Long Rifles Inc. build me a rifle with one and I'm very pleased.
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That action looks amazing. As an alternative, take a look at American Rifle Company's "Mausingfield". I had Chad Dixon at Long Rifles Inc. build me a rifle with one and I'm very pleased. Those did look great as well.
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No more new customers for the foreseeable future. 😒
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No more new customers for the foreseeable future. 😒 Who/which?
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I spoke to defiance will not take any new customers for the foreseeable future.
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That action looks amazing. As an alternative, take a look at American Rifle Company's "Mausingfield". I had Chad Dixon at Long Rifles Inc. build me a rifle with one and I'm very pleased. Would love to know more
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I spoke to defiance will not take any new customers for the foreseeable future. Just so anyone reading this thread is on the same page, you are speaking specifically of the CRF - not defiance actions in general - correct? I know when I ordered mine there was a delay in getting a vendor part which they didn’t manufacture. My suspicion is, if they aren’t currently taking orders for them, it may be the same part.
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When I spoke to them last week they said current lead time for new orders will be 15 months.
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They told me yesterday they were not taking any new customers until further notice regardless of what you were purchasing. If you have ordered from them before you might be good and I heard 15 months also regardless of action type.
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They told me yesterday they were not taking any new customers until further notice regardless of what you were purchasing. If you have ordered from them before you might be good and I heard 15 months also regardless of action type. Wow. Appreciate that clarification.
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That sucks if true. I was checking in on a crf short action for a .308 build. It was due to ship in july. Just headed out for nitride so another 1-2 months. Plenty of time to have it ready for 2023 season.
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Not sure what to tell you that is what they told me on the phone so I have no reason to doubt what they said.
They did mention some current dealers will take custom orders and encouraged me to call them but declined to name any.
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