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Looking for a 3-4 man tent. Something that will work if needed 365 days a year. It will be hauled around in the jeep so dont need something to pack. Simple quick setup and takedown would be nice.




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Check out the Arctic Oven.


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The Arctic Oven costs an arm n leg but is head n sholders better than any other on the market. Be sure to buy one with a stove jack for winter use.

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Bomb Shelter from Barneys is another option.


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I hesitate to give advice about camping in Alaska, but I'm very pleased with my Alaskan Guide tent from Cabelas. Mine is the 8 person tent. Price is reasonable with fiberglass poles. The aluminum pole version is lighter and but more expensive.

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I agree with you on the guide tent but it is a 3 season tent not 4 season. I have 15 of these tents in use in my outfitting service. They stand up to all that NW Alaska throws at my hunt groups but when I go out in the winteri have to have a tent with a stove jack and one that will not roar up-arctic oven

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I've spent weeks in my Cabelas Ak guide tents, both the 4 and the 6 man. They've survived high winds and wet snow and took it all in stride. As much as I've liked them, I'll upgrade to an Arctic Oven when it's time to replace. They're costly, but having the option of the stove would be really nice.


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In my experience the folks who are most likely to call for a rescue on the Alaska peninsula are those using Cabelas AK guide tent. Partially because the tents are nowhere as tough and durable as either the Bombshelters or the Arctic Oven but also because those using them have too much faith in the tents and don't shelter them or tie them down as they need to be.
If they understood the weather and took care the guide tents will do fine but are not in the same league as either the bomb shelter or the Arctic Oven.


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Originally Posted by 458Win
In my experience the folks who are most likely to call for a rescue on the Alaska peninsula are those using Cabelas AK guide tent. Partially because the tents are nowhere as tough and durable as either the Bombshelters or the Arctic Oven but also because those using them have too much faith in the tents and don't shelter them or tie them down as they need to be.
If they understood the weather and took care the guide tents will do fine but are not in the same league as either the bomb shelter or the Arctic Oven.



Yep. Because of the wind down this way, a mountaineering tent such as a VE-25 with lots of paracord is probably the best way to go. But I have no experience with a Bombshelter or Arctic Oven.

Of course anchored up in a sheltered cove or inlet on 58' purse seiner is even mo better. grin


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A friend has a cabelas tent. When all tied out properly its pretty stout. So far.

I don't think its seen really high winds though, probably not over 50mph.

In the end if its a year round 4 season do all tent.... it would not be on my list. Very close but not quite.


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Was in a good blow at Fraser Lk on Kodiak in a Guide tent. This model had fiberglass poles. We had it tied out as designed on good ground. The wind blew that thing flat many times until all the poles broke just above the stake pocket. That tent looked really sad after a night of that wind. Of course, then the rain started but the tent never leaked. A friend had a similar experience on the Kusko river camped at the base of the mountains. A williwaw hit his tent on the top and broke all the poles just above the pockets. I think the tent I was in was too tall for the size.


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We have an 8-man Guide tent with the aluminum poles. Bought it back in 2000, and it's been used a fair amount.

It's been folded by the wind in Wyoming. A couple poles bent somewhat, but didn't break. Tent is still serviceable.

In colder weather we heat it with a Mr Buddy heater, and a 20 lb propane tank. Works reasonably well in Montana fall weather. Never really tried it in sub-zero conditions.

Overall decent tent in most conditions, but it's not really up to "anything mother nature throws at it". The smaller 4-man or 6-man versions might be a little better in the wind given lower overall profile and surface area.

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If I had to be somewhere I could have issues if the tent failed... IE can't get to the truck or drive back to the house etc.... it would be AO or BS, but if flying in, its goint to be a tipi all the time due to weight... and ability of wood stove...


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PS no fiberglass poles for me ever again. And if I have my choice I"ll have a spare set of AL or Steel poles somewhere...


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My Bomb Shelter has only been actively used for only 30 years. It has some repairs, but none that kept it from being effective. It has seen a lot of the worst and is still 100% functional.

That said, the AO will likely be the next tent I buy...


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These are just my own experiences, so take them with a grain of salt. I have spent a lot of time both in the Bombshelter and in my Alaskan Guide 8-man. They are both great tents. But if set up in the best way possible for each, I think the AK Guide tent actually is a little better. The Bombshelter is more rectangular and takes a bit more hit with the high winds. It still works, but I found that you have to go outside every so often and re-stake the heavy fly which tends to buffet in the wind and pull the stakes harder. The AK Guide has a more aerodynamic dome shape, more rigid, and in my experience, with the same type of high winds, it does not pull out stakes as much. Mine came with an attachable 7”x10” vestibule. The whole thing with all of the guy lines is held by 46 stakes. It’s pretty secure when you use all of that. Just my own experience.

All that being said, if you’re concerned about really bad weather, you might be better off with two 11-lb three man tents, which would be less than half the weight of either of the above. Last Sept. in SW Alaska, my guide had his 10x1 Bombshelter set up, and I brought the backup—Marmot Thor 3p tent. These are successfully used on Everest expeditions. It has six high-strength aluminum poles, has a lower profile, and mine is staked out with 36 stakes, including countless guy lines. When the winds got over 60mph, the Bombshelter stayed up, but it was constantly flexing and, as said before, we had to re-stake it several times. My Marmot (much smaller with the lower profile and staked out in 36 places) essentially didn’t budge. If the winds had picked up another 10-20 mph or so, we clearly would have been solely in the Marmot.

The obvious dilemma about bringing the two smaller tents as opposed to one bigger one is that they are more stable and trap more body heat. But they also don’t allow you to stand up or put a table in there, etc … Depends on your needs. If the weather was likely to be really extreme, I would prefer to have two smaller expedition tents. If not, a bigger stand-up tent would be better.

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If I can take a truck there, I use my wall tent. I have had lesser expensive nylon tents collapse in the wind and rain before and I have never even camped out in AK! I think that the smaller tents have a much better chance of surviving bad weather. You put up a big tent, it better be a good one!

One time camped in the Kaibab, I had to tie large ropes to the main poles of the wall tent and stake into the wind with a tandem of 36" steel stakes. We had 50-60 knot wind all night one night and it held. It was, however, a sleepless night!


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Originally Posted by pak
Was in a good blow at Fraser Lk on Kodiak in a Guide tent. This model had fiberglass poles. We had it tied out as designed on good ground. The wind blew that thing flat many times until all the poles broke just above the stake pocket. That tent looked really sad after a night of that wind. Of course, then the rain started but the tent never leaked. A friend had a similar experience on the Kusko river camped at the base of the mountains. A williwaw hit his tent on the top and broke all the poles just above the pockets. I think the tent I was in was too tall for the size.


Fiberglass poles are heavier and weaker than aluminum ones. They're cheaper, but probably not worth the difference.

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My recollection is the tent(which was not mine) was an early model and fiberglass poles were the only poles available. To its credit it never leaked. I was also in some strong weather with a marmot and it was rock solid. They are livable but spending much time in a low tent gets old.


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These are just my own experiences, so take them with a grain of salt. I have spent a lot of time both in the Bombshelter and in my Alaskan Guide 8-man. They are both great tents. But if set up in the best way possible for each, I think the AK Guide tent actually is a little better. The Bombshelter is more rectangular and takes a bit more hit with the high winds. It still works, but I found that you have to go outside every so often and re-stake the heavy fly which tends to buffet in the wind and pull the stakes harder. The AK Guide has a more aerodynamic dome shape, more rigid, and in my experience, with the same type of high winds, it does not pull out stakes as much. Mine came with an attachable 7”x10” vestibule. The whole thing with all of the guy lines is held by 46 stakes. It’s pretty secure when you use all of that. Just my own experience.

All that being said, if you’re concerned about really bad weather, you might be better off with two 11-lb three man tents, which would be less than half the weight of either of the above. Last Sept. in SW Alaska, my guide had his 10x1 Bombshelter set up, and I brought the backup—Marmot Thor 3p tent. These are successfully used on Everest expeditions. It has six high-strength aluminum poles, has a lower profile, and mine is staked out with 36 stakes, including countless guy lines. When the winds got over 60mph, the Bombshelter stayed up, but it was constantly flexing and, as said before, we had to re-stake it several times. My Marmot (much smaller with the lower profile and staked out in 36 places) essentially didn’t budge. If the winds had picked up another 10-20 mph or so, we clearly would have been solely in the Marmot.

The obvious dilemma about bringing the two smaller tents as opposed to one bigger one is that they are more stable and trap more body heat. But they also don’t allow you to stand up or put a table in there, etc … Depends on your needs. If the weather was likely to be really extreme, I would prefer to have two smaller expedition tents. If not, a bigger stand-up tent would be better.

Here's the Bombshelter and Marmot. You can barely see the Marmot, but can get an idea of the lesser profile:

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This is it more close-up:

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A couple of pics of the AK Guide:

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MarineHawk is giving great advice. Even when I am setting up steel framed Weatherports, if they are likely to get severe winds ( 60-100 mph winds !) I will make sure there is a spare Mt Hardware, North Face or Kelty expedition dome tent set up and protected in the alders. As I have had Weatherports, Arctic Ovens and Bombshelters blow away during the night and when your tent departs at night during a 100 mph blow, your sleeping bag and cot are usually not far behind.


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Our weather is not nearly as severe as AK, but we do get some wind now and then.

We have a Mountain Hardware Trango-2 for a fallback tent. It was the tent we started with back in 1995.

We're both in our 50s, and enjoy a little more creature comfort of a larger tent most of the time. Chairs, table, cots, woodstove, etc.

A couple years ago we purchased a 12x14 wall tent with internal frame as well. It's really comfy to live in for a while, but a bit more work getting it set up, heavy, bulky, and catches a lot of wind. Then getting it dry.

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If I bought another tipi, I think I"d almost go 12 man...

As to wind, I doubt mine has ever been in anything beyond 60 mph but it was fine in that wind.


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Originally Posted by rost495
If I bought another tipi, I think I"d almost go 12 man...

As to wind, I doubt mine has ever been in anything beyond 60 mph but it was fine in that wind.
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Good info.

Are your thoughts on a 12-man based on having the 8-man? If so, I'm interested in your opinions/experiences with the 8 man, and where it seemed too small.

I'm thinking for two people, cots, chairs, table, woodstove, some room for firewood, and move a little bit. This is for camping near the truck, so backpack-ability is not much of a concern. Kind of a wall tent replacement, easier to set up, and wind worthy.

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8 man might work ok for 2 folks with cots and such.

But when I bring cots into the equation, plus the fact of truck camping, I'd sure do the 12 man personally.

We have a 6 man thats about right for one person with a cot. 2 without is ok but not that roomy especially if running a stove. Which is one reason for a tipi IMHO.

I really should have gone at least 8. But I"m thinking doubling the size of the 6 man would be luxurious for 2 or 3 folks personally.

I don't recall seeing a 10 man, but that would probably be ideal for 2 folks with a lot of room.


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Hmm, my reply got lost in the ether.

The thing with tipi's is the useable floor space is much smaller than the footprint, figure you reduce the radius of the footprint by a good 3 or 4 feet.

I got a black diamond mega mid figuring with a stove jack sewn in I'd have an affordable "4" man tipi with a stove. Reality is I have a 1 man tipi with the stove added.

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These are just my own experiences, so take them with a grain of salt. I have spent a lot of time both in the Bombshelter and in my Alaskan Guide 8-man. They are both great tents. But if set up in the best way possible for each, I think the AK Guide tent actually is a little better. The Bombshelter is more rectangular and takes a bit more hit with the high winds. It still works, but I found that you have to go outside every so often and re-stake the heavy fly which tends to buffet in the wind and pull the stakes harder. The AK Guide has a more aerodynamic dome shape, more rigid, and in my experience, with the same type of high winds, it does not pull out stakes as much. Mine came with an attachable 7”x10” vestibule. The whole thing with all of the guy lines is held by 46 stakes. It’s pretty secure when you use all of that. Just my own experience.

All that being said, if you’re concerned about really bad weather, you might be better off with two 11-lb three man tents, which would be less than half the weight of either of the above. Last Sept. in SW Alaska, my guide had his 10x1 Bombshelter set up, and I brought the backup—Marmot Thor 3p tent. These are successfully used on Everest expeditions. It has six high-strength aluminum poles, has a lower profile, and mine is staked out with 36 stakes, including countless guy lines. When the winds got over 60mph, the Bombshelter stayed up, but it was constantly flexing and, as said before, we had to re-stake it several times. My Marmot (much smaller with the lower profile and staked out in 36 places) essentially didn’t budge. If the winds had picked up another 10-20 mph or so, we clearly would have been solely in the Marmot.

The obvious dilemma about bringing the two smaller tents as opposed to one bigger one is that they are more stable and trap more body heat. But they also don’t allow you to stand up or put a table in there, etc … Depends on your needs. If the weather was likely to be really extreme, I would prefer to have two smaller expedition tents. If not, a bigger stand-up tent would be better.

Here's the Bombshelter and Marmot. You can barely see the Marmot, but can get an idea of the lesser profile:

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This is it more close-up:

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A couple of pics of the AK Guide:

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MarineHawk is giving great advice. Even when I am setting up steel framed Weatherports, if they are likely to get severe winds ( 60-100 mph winds !) I will make sure there is a spare Mt Hardware, North Face or Kelty expedition dome tent set up and protected in the alders. As I have had Weatherports, Arctic Ovens and Bombshelters blow away during the night and when your tent departs at night during a 100 mph blow, your sleeping bag and cot are usually not far behind.


Thanks 458Win. It can be comforting when out in the middle of nowhere to have a good low-profile four-season expedition-like tent (there are many good ones). With the lower profile and smaller space, if set up and guyed out as well as possible, they are about as weather protective as anything not make out of concrete. They also can trap heat more efficiently. My 10-yr-old son and I recently backpacked locally with the same Marmot tent when the temps got down to about 10 degrees. Nothing crazy I know, but we did it a few weeks before with a three-season tent, when it was about 30 degrees at night. With the Marmot, even though it was much colder, we were sweating with the same gear and had to keep our bags unzipped to keep from sweating inside. Our water bottles were half frozen with the 3-seaon tent the first time, but, in much colder temps, were almost room temperature in the Marmot. But the main thing is that the 4-season expedition tent is seemingly almost impervious to winds up to about 70 mph (the highest I have had to experience). Any large stand-up tent is more comfortable in moderate conditions, but I like the smaller bombproof stuff when things get wild.

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Our weather is not nearly as severe as AK, but we do get some wind now and then.

We have a Mountain Hardware Trango-2 for a fallback tent. It was the tent we started with back in 1995.

We're both in our 50s, and enjoy a little more creature comfort of a larger tent most of the time. Chairs, table, cots, woodstove, etc.

A couple years ago we purchased a 12x14 wall tent with internal frame as well. It's really comfy to live in for a while, but a bit more work getting it set up, heavy, bulky, and catches a lot of wind. Then getting it dry.

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Nice pics. I have a pleasant image of a table going up with the poker chips and cards coming out after dinner.

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We had a great time for sure. None of us are card players, but after dinner we went back out for a pre-sunset gopher walk, then had some refreshments and BS until dark.

That's my brother in the foreground, and he recently retired after 32 years on the Tacoma Fire Dept. Dad was also in the Tacoma Fire Dept for 34 years, and retired some years back. They both have a lot of stories to tell.

I didn't really grow up with them in my life, so since I've settled down, it's been great to spend some time with both of them. We all have a big interest in guns and reloading so there's tons of common ground. This was the first time we had camped together since the early 1960s when my brother and I were preschool age.

Just us boys. Great bonding. It meant a lot to Dad as well, as he's getting up in his 80s, and mobility is not what it once was.

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Used the guide model tent for many years, had 2 collapse from snow load and another from wind. Switched to the cabela's extreme weather tent (12 man) and have never had a problem. Have used it for 5 seasons now, very satisfied. There are better tents, but not for the money in my opinion. For 2-3 people it is lika having a cabin.

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If I were to buy a new tent that I would have to practically live in for 365 days of the year, the Artic Oven would be the one for me. Expensive but worth their weight in gold when the weather gets downright nasty.


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For EXTREME use there are few equals and I have a couple Hilleberg tents and believe in them completely. But they are not general purpose tents for ordinary hunting trips...


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Used NF VE 24s and 25s and Bibler I tents on Makalu, Denali and in the Aleutians. Both stood up to sustained high winds, no problem.

The Bibler(right around 5 pounds) was great for several DIY backpack hunts in Washington and Montana.


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Hm unfortunately nothing can compete with a Hilleberg tent....

if you look for a 3 or 4 men tent. I would strongly recommend a "black label" Keron, savior or Saitaris tent.

I personally own and use a Akto and Tarra... they are expensive but they "outclass"any other brand... from Alaska or anywhere in the world....


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Survived a night of winds in excess of 60 knots in a Kifaru 8 man tipi on the Alaska Peninsula chasing caribou. Tent did fine. Stove was a real treat.
Regarding tipi size with stove, sleeping on pads reduce the manufacturers stated size by half. If sleeping on cots reduce by half minus 1. So an 8 man tipi is really a 4 man on pads and a 3 man on cots.
It is possible to increase the wind buffeting capability of a 3 season tent to almost a 4 season level by a few simple modifications. Sew a few extra guy loops to the tent. On all guy out points add a loop of shock cord by closing the loop of shock cord through the guy out tab with 2 stainless steel hog rings. These rings are used to close sausage casings (not usually stainless) and also in furniture/auto upholstery. You need hog ring pliers. LEM has the least expensive. Use the yellow Line Lockers from Campmor on the guy out lines. If you are anticipating heavy weather put rocks on the tent stakes but make sure they are on the stakes not the tent fabric. A vestibule definitely helps the tent shed wind better. On some tents (Eureka Timberline) fabric needs to be added to the factory vestibule to increase wind shedding.
Using these modifications I have survived straight line winds in the BWCA in a Eureka 4 man Timberline which normally does not shed wind very well. I am convinced they are worthwhile mods to the Cabela Guide tents. Be advised the mods increase the weight of the tent by a surprising amount.

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Bombshelter.

I lived in one for 5 months in AK. It even held up in 60mph winds. While I only lived in it for 5 months it was used the two previous years also. So they last. We actually screwed to corners down and it was on a plywood platform. Even if you didn't they are still awesome. Also pretty quick to set up and roomy on the 10x10's.


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I'd have to go with WeatherPort. We have a 14x16 SQ model structure setup as a semi-permanent base camp tent. They are very high quality, easy to put together, and will last a long time in bad weather.

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I put my money in an Arctic Oven...
-35 F wind blowing 35 MPH and it was 65 F inside the AO.
We used a 12x12 box stove for heat.

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I like the two tent option in a lot of situations.
In the case of these two pics the hille was moved but kept within reasonable distance so like Phil said if needed you could relocate to it in the middle of a the storm or night.

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Originally Posted by Idaho_Elk_Huntr
Looking for a 3-4 man tent. Something that will work if needed 365 days a year. It will be hauled around in the jeep so don't need something to pack. Simple quick setup and take down would be nice.

Although the Arctic Oven and Barneys Bomb Shelter are durable 4-season tents with lots of room, they have their draw backs, when used in the situation that the OP asks about. When packed up, the package is pretty big and takes up a lot of room. That could be a problem in the back of a Jeep if you also have other stuff you want to carry. They are also time consuming to setup and take down. They are compatible with a wood stove but the OP did not mention stoves.

I just re-read the original post and have quoted it above for reference. Idaho Elk Hunter is not looking for a tent to live in. He wants a tent to carry around in the back of his Jeep and use it when he wants to camp. IMHO what he's looking for is a 4-season expedition mountaineering dome tent like a North Face VE-25, Cabelas XPG-4-season with aluminum poles, Marmot Thor, Eureka K2-XT, etc. These tents have a lower profile than the AO and BS, they are easier to setup and take down, take up less room when packed, and weigh less than the AO and BS. The Cabelas Alaska Guide tents generally have a higher profile and therefore are inherently less capable of enduring high winds but even they would be better than an AO or BS for the stated purpose. These tents could be easily heated with Little Buddy in the winter.

I assume that anyone using a tent (ANY TENT) knows to erect it sheltered from the wind (when possible), fully staked down, and tied down with every loop available.

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I've been thinking about this thread and it has been bothering me. The advice that we (including me) have been giving to this guy is not the best advice. We have been suggesting the best and most expensive tents, on the market. The kind of tents that you can depend on in extreme conditions. Conditions where if the tent fails it could mean that you die. That kind of reliability is expensive. But that's not the kind of conditions that he is anticipating.

He states that he wants to carry the tent in the back of his Jeep and that he's not going to be packing in. So he's going to be car camping and that includes winter car camping. Even in winter he's not going to be placing himself in extreme risk conditions because if the tent fails he just climbs into the Jeep, waits until morning and goes home. No Big deal.

Idaho Elk Huntr:

Here are some suggestions that more closely mirror the kind of conditions that you anticipate.

The Cabelas XPG-4, four man, 4-season tent with aluminum poles costs $500 and it's one of the best values on the market for top-of-the-line tents.

There are a bunch of 3-season, 4-person tents on the market for around $300. Even though you anticipate winter camping, they would probably serve your needs most of the time since you will never be far from the Jeep. These tents all have full coverage rain-flys and that's signifigant in winter.

Eureka Taron-4 ($330)
Marmot Limelite-4 ($300)
Mountainsmith Genesee-4 ($170)
Mountain Hardwear Shifter-4 ($270)
Kelty Gunnison 4.3 ($240)

All of these tents can be purchased at Campmor.com.

Hope this helps.

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I agree with KCs line of thinking in his last post and thought I would add 2 more tents to his list. My spring, summer and fall horse packing tent without needing a stove is currently a Terra Nova Etesian 4. 13#, goes up quick like a Hilleberg, stand up room to get dressed, large vestibule for all my gear and so far very stable and weatherproof. It is a tall profile so you always have to take that into account. Paid $400 new with footprint. My truck tent lately is a Sportsmans Warehouse Browning Glacier Extreme 6 for $450. Same style as AO but no stove jack. Goes up quick, lots of guy outs, 2 vestibules, full coverage fly and weighs about 30#. This tent with a buddy heater would work well for what he's looking for.

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Forgot all about this post. We went with a Cabela's tent. It does a good job. We purchased a big buddy heater and the only bad thing most of the time we have to kill the heater because we cant adjust it low enough

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