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I have picked the brains of a few guys here on 6.5 Lapua loads but I wouldn't mind building a bit more data on powders/primers/bullets guys are having luck with...
Specifically, has anybody had much luck using IMR-4064? I liked it quite a bit in the .308 and have a good supply on hand, and it seems to be in the right area for burn rate... Thinking mainly 123gr Scenars and 130gr Berger VLDs here.
Thanks fellas'...
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The go to powder for the 130 VLD's in the 6.5x47 Lapua is H4350.
Lapua brass, CCI 450 SRM primers, 41.1-42.2 H4350.
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Varget is kind of a standard with the 123 scenars also. 37.5 grs. Varget, CCI 450, 123 Scenar seated .010" into the lands usually shoots. I agree that 4064 should work well too but I couldn't find anyone who's using it. It seems strange because it should work.
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Thanks!
I noticed the same regarding 4064.... There's a distinct lack of info with that powder. I've got plenty of CCI-400's, but will grab 450s if that is the way to go.
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CCI 450's or BR4's are what you want to use with the 6.5x47, they've got thicker cup material than the 400's & will take pressure better. The BR4's are just the match version of the 450's but most people say they can't tell the difference.
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123g Amax 38.5g Varget with a CCI-450.
Bug holes at 500.
With 5 different barrels.
Never cared for H4350 with the 140g Bullet.
You will have a hard time getting any speed out of it.
VV550 is the powder for the 140s in a 6.5x47.
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CCI 450's or BR4's are what you want to use with the 6.5x47, they've got thicker cup material than the 400's & will take pressure better. The BR4's are just the match version of the 450's but most people say they can't tell the difference. 450's are a magnum primer, BR4's are a match standard primer.
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They're marketed as such but looking at the specs the BR4's pretty much match the 450's. Only CCI really knows for sure if they're identical. The BR4's aren't the same as the 400's, that's for sure since the cup thickness is heavier. Maybe the 450's are hotter since they're labeled "magnum" but most guys that I've read who've tried the 450's vs. the BR4's in the 6BR and 6.5x47L say they can't tell the difference. I've tried both of them and I can't tell any difference so now I just buy the 450's and save $20 a brick. Federal will tell you that their match primers are the same as their standard primers with the exception that they go through an extra inspection step. I'm inclined to believe that's the same with the CCI450/BR4 but maybe I'm wrong.
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A full case of RE-17. I'm around 41.5 gr, IIRC. Tossing 130 gr AB's at 2850..nice load. CCI 450's as the spark...
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They're marketed as such but looking at the specs the BR4's pretty much match the 450's. Only CCI really knows for sure if they're identical. The BR4's aren't the same as the 400's, that's for sure since the cup thickness is heavier. Maybe the 450's are hotter since they're labeled "magnum" but most guys that I've read who've tried the 450's vs. the BR4's in the 6BR and 6.5x47L say they can't tell the difference. I've tried both of them and I can't tell any difference so now I just buy the 450's and save $20 a brick. Federal will tell you that their match primers are the same as their standard primers with the exception that they go through an extra inspection step. I'm inclined to believe that's the same with the CCI450/BR4 but maybe I'm wrong. I wish my 223 couldn't tell the difference ........
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Tanner, consider, the L as the BR, noted for top shelf accuracy, those who use them want the cutting edge best in precision, and speed.
True, like most rounds, a few powders shine best, though don't let that keep you from using the 4064. Long ago it beat Varget for me in the 7/08 in accuracy, w/same speed. It was a close race.
I have some myself, and may well torch some under 120-123s. I see the 47 as ideal for 120-130s, 136-142s can do very well in many rifles, though not all depending on ROT and throating.
As Dave mentioned, a few recipe's are almost foolproof and go to, but I bet you will get all the accuracy and speed needed for practice or even varmint/general deer. Now if you are like Alan and want to bust an Elk at near 1k - those are moments when you grab THE CHOICE recipe, or if you are in a serious competition.
That's my .02. Enjoy your L.
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My rifle likes: RL15 w/ 123gr Scenar and RL17 w/ 140gr Horn BTHP
I use 400s but everyone says to use 450s, I'll get around to trying them one of these days.
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Brett what velocities are you getting with the RL15 and 123's?
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You may check out this thread too. 6.5x47 Lapua ?'s
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Brett, another question for you.... How have those 140 BTHPs worked out for you... Curious if their .580 BC is legit or not...
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I'm trying to burn up all of my Scenars so I haven't gotten to run them much, but out to 500 .580 has worked for me.
I plan on switching to them once my Scenars are gone.
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Tanner,
In my heavy -47, my two favorite loads are
140 Hybrid, 40.8 H4350, CCI 450
130 VLD, 40.25 H4350, CCI 450
This gun doesn't get played with much when it comes to testing a large variety of components. Once I found a load, I locked it down and simply shot it. I've made numerous hits on my 2k yd plate with the Hybrid load, though it runs out of umph around 1800+ yds and I have to add an extra 4 moa to make the hits.
My light -47 get hunted mostly though I did use it for the 2012 24 Hr Sniper Adventure Challenge, where I carried 65 lbs of gear over a 36 mile mountainous course for 28 hours. That load was the 130 VLD, 38.6 Varget and CCI 450.
I've tested, successfully, 100 PT, 123 mk, 127 LRX, 130 VLD/AB, 140 MB/CC/VLD and 142 Matrix VLD.
IMR 8208 has great accuracy but lower velocity with the 100 PT.
The 127 LRX and Varget killed a Montana mulie @ 500 and a large Utah cow elk @ 450 with Varget.
I used the Canadian 142 Matrix VLD and Rel 17, 2917 fps, to kill a spike elk at 950 this past October. I dare not give the load 'cause it was a lot of powder in there. In several of my Rel 17 trials, I discovered the Fed 205m primer out performed my beloved CCI 450 primer.
A sleeper powder was the IMR 4007ssc with the 140 VLD. Hunted it but didn't kill anything. The burn rate is right between Varget and H4350.
You won't find load data with some of these powders so I used 6.5CM or 260 data to extrapolate where I want to start/stop. I then let the rifle tell me where to stop as well as where the accuracy node it. I run pressure ladders, adding .2 gr increments.
Hope this helps.
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Tanner,
In my heavy -47, my two favorite loads are
140 Hybrid, 40.8 H4350, CCI 450
130 VLD, 40.25 H4350, CCI 450
This gun doesn't get played with much when it comes to testing a large variety of components. Once I found a load, I locked it down and simply shot it. I've made numerous hits on my 2k yd plate with the Hybrid load, though it runs out of umph around 1800+ yds and I have to add an extra 4 moa to make the hits.
My light -47 get hunted mostly though I did use it for the 2012 24 Hr Sniper Adventure Challenge, where I carried 65 lbs of gear over a 36 mile mountainous course for 28 hours. That load was the 130 VLD, 38.6 Varget and CCI 450.
I've tested, successfully, 100 PT, 123 mk, 127 LRX, 130 VLD/AB, 140 MB/CC/VLD and 142 Matrix VLD.
IMR 8208 has great accuracy but lower velocity with the 100 PT.
The 127 LRX and Varget killed a Montana mulie @ 500 and a large Utah cow elk @ 450 with Varget.
I used the Canadian 142 Matrix VLD and Rel 17, 2917 fps, to kill a spike elk at 950 this past October. I dare not give the load 'cause it was a lot of powder in there. In several of my Rel 17 trials, I discovered the Fed 205m primer out performed my beloved CCI 450 primer.
A sleeper powder was the IMR 4007ssc with the 140 VLD. Hunted it but didn't kill anything. The burn rate is right between Varget and H4350.
You won't find load data with some of these powders so I used 6.5CM or 260 data to extrapolate where I want to start/stop. I then let the rifle tell me where to stop as well as where the accuracy node it. I run pressure ladders, adding .2 gr increments.
Hope this helps.
Alan
Can you verify your load data? Your showing a lighter load for the 130 than the 140. Jim
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In had Great luck with Imr 4007 and 123 amax.
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Well, I think it would suffice to say that I'm very impressed with both the cartridge and this rifle. I took some brand new Lapua brass, VLD chamfered the mouths, and threw together a completely random load with an arbitrary seating depth, looked like this: 140 A-Max 2.700" COAL 38.5gr RL-17 CCI-400 Lapua Brass I moved to 330 yards after zeroing to see how the load would hold together. I doubt I could duplicate the group on the right again... But the one on the left is under 2" as well, including the low shot... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m545/Tanner_Coulter/F385B316-AA6B-4E04-B73B-DCE90980F48F_zpsmsfsgs5v.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m545/Tanner_Coulter/94ED7B11-22A9-4715-A971-C5DC1001F11F_zpstgwf4bvm.jpg)
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That'll work! Approximate velocity? Thinking the x47 may be the best thing going for a 2.8" box…
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I am guessing 2700-2750 based on the drops at 330yds, but I'll have to shoot more data to know for sure...
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SS SA 700, blueprinted, pin bushed.
Brux Varmint 1-8.5" cut to 26"
A3 Sporter
HS DBM (I'd like to use M5)
20 Minute Rail
SWFA 12x42 for now...
Kent Porter out of Texas built it. Seems to have done a really nice job.
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Sweet rig. I'm about to send the parts off for an 8" twist 22-250. I should have him chamber a 6.5x47 barrel up at the same time…
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Sweet rig. What did you trip to get it? 
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Sweet rig. What did you trip to get it? If was him, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror the same knowing how I stole it.... My offers still stand.... Nice work bud.
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Tanner,
What die set did you go with and who'd you buy them from?
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so this caliber runs really well out of a short action?
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SS SA 700, blueprinted, pin bushed.
Brux Varmint 1-8.5" cut to 26"
A3 Sporter
HS DBM (I'd like to use M5)
20 Minute Rail
SWFA 12x42 for now...
Kent Porter out of Texas built it. Seems to have done a really nice job.
Tanner Hella nice rig T...........The fun factor on that rig has got to be through the roof! Well done!! X-VERMINATOR
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so this caliber runs really well out of a short action? .3" shorter case than an '08 case… John
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Two 6.5x47 Lapua's. Target is at 1000 yards. Top and bottom shots are from the back rifle, the two center shots are from the close rifle. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h427/JimthePlumber17/11-29-14droid056_zps3c375473.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h427/JimthePlumber17/11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg)
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Tanner,
What die set did you go with and who'd you buy them from?
John John, right now I'm using a simple set of Forster FL's that I got from RenoH414. I may look into some bushing stuff but I'm pretty pleased with the dies for now. Tanner
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Forster are my favorite in dies. Just want to let you know you just cost me a pile of money. As soon as I read your post, I ordered a Bartlein Barrel 6.5 barrel, 8" twist, 100 Lapua brass and a set of Forster dies. I was already going to have an 8" twist Bartlein 22-250 barrel screwed on a Remington action I have, but now I have to have the 6.5 Lapua chambered up as well! Couldn't find a micrometer seater die, but I'm pretty sure the ones from my other Forster dies will screw in to their regular seater.
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Laughing... Glad I could be of service!
I'm interested to hear how the micrometer in the regular die body works out; at first glance I think it should, too.
An 8" 22-250 and a 6.5 Lapua strike me as a fairly wicked combo; I know the last time I shot 75 A-Maxes at 3400fps they impressed the heck out of me. I think you'll be pretty fond of the 6.5x47.... I already want one in a lightweight...
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Bartlein 2Bs on these. Not too light to shoot well, not too heavy to carry... Figure both should work well from the 2.8" box.
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Laughing... Glad I could be of service!
I'm interested to hear how the micrometer in the regular die body works out; at first glance I think it should, too.
An 8" 22-250 and a 6.5 Lapua strike me as a fairly wicked combo; I know the last time I shot 75 A-Maxes at 3400fps they impressed the heck out of me. I think you'll be pretty fond of the 6.5x47.... I already want one in a lightweight...
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Tanner... 38.1 of varget and 130 vlds in my 6.5x47. 2950 from a 26" krieger and shoots little bitty groups.
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Nice Aalf. John - is a 2B lighter than Mag sporter?
They do seem to be a good contour for a carry rifle.
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2b is about like most folks #3s.
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Understood - figured a 3 Bart is similar to a 700 Mag contour.
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#3 Bartleins are quite a bit bigger than a 700 Mag contour.....
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Anyone share the wealth regarding load data for lighter bullets, in the 100-108 range?
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Decent! I need to put together a 6.5x47, i have 6.5 creedmoors, but i feel the Lapua has a slight advantage in a rem S/A, one of the great cartridges to burn up bullets with.
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Anyone share the wealth regarding load data for lighter bullets, in the 100-108 range? My deer hunting load is a 100 TTSX in front of 40.0 gr. varget with a cci450 primer. 3075 fps out of my 22" barrel.
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Thanks - that is exactly the bullet I'm going to next
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Looks to be an 18"....
Impressive velocity outta that barrel length....
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Looks to be an 18"....
Impressive velocity outta that barrel length.... Yes, 18" Bartlein RVC
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Yes, those speeds are more like one might expect 120-123s to do in a stubby. What are the build specs? 8.5 twist? What NF?
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Yes, those speeds are more like one might expect 120-123s to do in a stubby. What are the build specs? 8.5 twist? What NF?
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Nice rig! Targets speak well Thanks for specs. Mine is 20" 8t - no use for a long bbl in this round for my use.
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Campfire Ranger
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Campfire Ranger
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Vmaxed, who built that gun?
Thanks.
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Campfire Member
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Campfire Member
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Vmaxed, who built that gun?
Thanks. LongRifles, Inc. in Sturgis SD LongRifles, Inc.
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Campfire Tracker
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Campfire Tracker
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Vmaxed, who built that gun?
Thanks. LongRifles, Inc. in Sturgis SD LongRifles, Inc. His .295 Reamer turned out a great rifle for me. I really like being local to Chad.
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