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If you look at that map you will see the long lasting results of Reconstruction in the colors. miles
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Eisenhower is one of our most underestimated presidents and he was also a much more intellectual and erudite man than he gets credit for.
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Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers
�If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.
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Most people are very happy to pretend that he never made that speech.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
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I reckon I would have been 12 when he stopped and shook my hand, coming out of a Presbyterian Church in D.C.
We were staying at a hotel not far away, and out for a walk before Sunday brunch, no planning, just wandered into the deal
Folks (mine included) hung back, but kinda' scooted their kids into the front row, he stopped and did a little schmoozing on his way to the BIG Caddy.
I remember a very genuine smile, and direct piercing eyes, with a merry twinkle.
Wish we'd had a camera along, that day.
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-- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
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My favorite Ike story is about how he got the Norks to capitulate.
Story is that the peace talks were not going so well. Ike had a low level puke at State talk to a low level French puke. The conversation was about The Bomb.
Our puke told the Frog that Ike would be willing to lend the Frogs an A-Bomb to resolve the French Indo-China issue. This was just a feelere, but. . . The French had been lobbying for support, and this was their response. The Frogs were severely compromised with Soviet spies, so this news was in Moscow probably before it was in Paris.
The Soviets called the Chinese. The Chinese called the Norks, and all of a sudden their was an accord signed.
Somebody told Ike on assuming the Presidency: figure out what conditions would cause you to drop The Bomb. When you are certain of your answer, tell no one.
This was how Ike used The Bomb.
The details of all this are in Ike's Bluff. I read it on the deer stand a couple of seasons ago. Good stuff.
Are you refering to "Operation Vulture". The use of nukes here wasnt discussed withthe French until 10 days after Giap's initial assaults at Dien Bien Phu. That was March of 54. Truce was signed in Korea in July of 53.
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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I would like to think Ike knew one end of a shovel from the other, that attribute might be lacking in our present day politicians.
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Ike was the last of the great military presidents. Very well liked by all. Knew much about the military and very little about how the U.S. Government operates, but learned fast and was able to work with Congress and SCOTUS to get things done.had to deal with Korea and CHICOMs.Never had a budget over 100 billion. Worst legacy was Tricky Dick.
I was one of the last USAF airman to be issued an Ike jacket.
Beware of thieves, scammers and dishonest members on the "Fire" classifieds. Ya there is a thief here too. Whatever!!
They're all around the CampFire and everywhere.
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Good point Miles, reconstruction should be a good topic for another day.
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Worst legacy was Tricky Dick. Another bad legacy was Earl Warren.
Keep your gun-hand ready and your eyes peeled.
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He played as much golf as the usurper in our House right now. He also delegated a lot and never wanted to be president.
He was the first President to use heavy federal power to further minority agendas and keep them safe in a dangerous environment.
Ike would be called a "libtard" here at the campfire. He was a better Allied Commander than President, IMO.
In all things he still stands head and shoulders above many before him and after him. As a kid I briefly met him and Nixon in San Francisco during the Republican convention. My grandmother was an Illinois delegate.
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Are you refering to "Operation Vulture". The use of nukes here wasnt discussed withthe French until 10 days after Giap's initial assaults at Dien Bien Phu.
That was March of 54. Truce was signed in Korea in July of 53. No, I'm not referring to Operation Vulture. This was supposedly a back-channel gambit that went down in early '53.
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Ok! Didn't know. Thx! 
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
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Story told at his farm in Gettysburg: At semi-formal dinner they had at the farm the conservation turned to "Mr. President what did you do today"? His reply was "worked at the barn hauling manure". At that, a guest whispered to Mamie "Couldn't you get him to say fertilizer" her reply was " It took me thirty years to get him to say manure"
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He gave us the warning about "The Military-Industrial Complex".
And we were in Vietnam shortly afterward.
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Proven leader!
One error was making Patton US Commander of Bavaria, a diplomatic position. Patton was no diplomat and wanted to use the Nazis not denazify.
Ike finally took him down.
Americans First!
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Yes we see what his warning was about every time there is a base closing or a weapon system gets canceled. It is funny when you realize just who is involved, the big companies obviously, all the little people who get the politicians involved to try to keep their jobs. Not really judging just stating how big it is.
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No speech fell on deafer ears.
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Some... Just thinking that Colin Powell would not qualify to shine Gen. Ike's boots.
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Paraphrasing as nearly as I can remember:
Some of you feel pride when you see one our bombers pass overhead. You ought to shed a tear. Every bomber that is made is a school that was not built. The future of this country is in schools, not in bombers. In the final sense, every weapon of war that is built represents a theft from people who are hungry and not fed.
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