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Looks like the girl had some spunk! She just bit off a bit more than she could chew.
God speed.
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Her husband was VP of Morgan Chase and the two could not IQ themselves out of how stupid this was... Very sad...
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Your looking at roughly 100 degrees below the freezing mark. Un freakin' stupidly real.... Boggles the mind.
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Sad..Tuff circumstances. No room for error in those situations
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There are times to hike and times to hunker down by the fire. This was one of the latter. It's sad that she died but that wasn't the brightest thing she could do in that weather.
I hope that none of searchers got hurt or frostbitten. They had to be out there, too.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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Looks like the girl had some spunk! She just bit off a bit more than she could chew.
God speed. This. She was no newb or rube. She knew what she was doing but left zero margin of error. That margin caught her. In those conditions, she died fast.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Whether paddling out into 40'ers, dropping into a blown out cat5, climbing 20k plus peaks, or running ultra marathons through the desert, some folks challenge the limits of their beings. Sometimes they lose.
Others never leave their couch, most are somewhere in between.
I know I'd rather live and die in her mold than rot on a couch.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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The Presidentials and Mt Washington are not places to mess around this time of year.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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she fugged up. plain and simple.
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Whether paddling out into 40'ers, dropping into a blown out cat5, climbing 20k plus peaks, or running ultra marathons through the desert, some folks challenge the limits of their beings. Sometimes they lose.
Others never leave their couch, most are somewhere in between.
I know I'd rather live and die in her mold than rot on a couch.
There's a lot said there. Well done, and agreed.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I've climbed Washington, Madison, Adams, Jefferson a number of times in winter. They're simple climbs, just crampons and ice axe. -15*F without windchill was not uncommon. Have been in some pretty good winds and storms up there.
HOWEVER, I would never have broached treeline with 100 mph winds @ -30*F... if the wind is 100 mph when you hit treeline and you don't turn back you're completely without the skills to have been there in the first place.
Spunk is one thing and I always admire that, but I'd say she was absolutely out of her depth to make the decision she did.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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She for sure made some mistakes, I'm just not gonna run her down for it.
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On the farm doing chores, 35 below with 60 mph winds with gusts to 80. It had been 45 below before for a couple of days but with that wind, it was very cold - froze my feet, hands, and face. I don't do that chit anymore
I prefer classic.
Semper Fi
I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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She for sure made some mistakes, I'm just not gonna run her down for it.
No one's running her down, just pointing out she didn't have the skills to be there, and she jeopardized the lives of others by her irresponsibility. She didn't make a marginally bad call, she made a massively bad call. The problem with the Presidential's is they're too accessible to an enormous population, not all of whom are equipped to deal with what they can dish out.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Given the accuracy of modern weather forecasting I'm surprised she went out knowing how chitty it could get.
Pretty hard to get caught in a freak storm on a such a short trip.
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I'm thinking the storm is part of the reason she was there.
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I've climbed Washington, Madison, Adams, Jefferson a number of times in winter. They're simple climbs, just crampons and ice axe. -15*F without windchill was not uncommon. Have been in some pretty good winds and storms up there.
HOWEVER, I would never have broached treeline with 100 mph winds @ -30*F... if the wind is 100 mph when you hit treeline and you don't turn back you're completely without the skills to have been there in the first place.
Spunk is one thing and I always admire that, but I'd say she was absolutely out of her depth to make the decision she did.
Agreed, and that's no insult to her. I'm no "experienced" camper in that stuff, but I do know very well what -30 ambient and -70 or greater windchill is like. You can't make a mistake. You just don't have the margin for error or the time/ability to make amends.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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She had some spunk.
There are worse ways to die ,,, Beats going out in a hospital with tubes stuffed up every orifice.
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