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I am glad we have X-purts like savage 99 and swarf to guide us in choosing a proper deer caliber. The hundreds I have killed well I guess I was just lucky and I do not even want to talk about moose and elk.

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The only deer I killed this year was with an arrow,,, 200Ft per second and 300 ft lbs??? and it was enough.. Now ,,if a 250 Sav with 1,500 FT lbs is barely enough for a 150 lb deer I guess it's safe to say a moose that is ten times the weight ,, you should need 15,000 ft lbs to kill a moose. ??? Does this make sense?? No?

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The .223's work but I've found the best results using a 40MPH truck bumper.



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A Ski-doo Mach1 at about 97mph does a helluva job too.

Was quite a mess and expensive bill. Had to throw out my jacket.


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I never really felt over-gunned shooting mule deer(bucks) with a 300 WSM.
Inside of 200 yards I would say a 223 will knock one down fairly easily on most shots. At 400 yards a 300 WSM will have more thump.


Never hit any big game yet in a vehicle(knock on wood).

Hit a cow on a 4-wheeler and bent/cracked some chit last fall but she ran off unscathed. Wasn't even our cow...

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Originally Posted by TJAY
I am glad we have X-purts like savage 99 and swarf to guide us in choosing a proper deer caliber.


I'll say they got the street cred I'll tell ya, we're blessed.

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Originally Posted by swarf
In many ways I agree with Savage 99. Robert Ruark was correct.

Those idiots who think that a 223 is perfect for deer and black bear are repugnant. To brag about how small a cartridge that you can kill something with is disgusting. To take any life and not give it a good death is disgusting. I think that these disgusting dolts should be sentenced to perhaps a miserable, slow, death by cancer. Give them what they deserve.

These thoughts are not provincialism. They are human decency. Our game deserves more than that from us. I always thought that whitetail rounds began with something like a 250 Savage, and went up in power from there.

I have taken but one critter in my life bigger than a whitetail, and that was an Alaskan bull moose. I used a 7mm Rem Mag with a 160 partition. As I looked in awe at it on the ground, my first thought was, "the guys are right... the Alaskan minimum for moose should be 30 caliber and up."

I promised myself, at that time, that if I ever took another Alaskan moose I would have a 338. "I" wasn't in a survival situation. "I" should be a better, more decent, person for having the privilege of taking that large Alaskan moose.

Sitting up in a tree and taking headshots "only" at 25 feet, over a corn pile, at night, is not hunting. There is a difference.


WOW!!!

Excuse me for a second while I wait for my son to pick up the phone. You see he killed a huge-bodied bull moose, a modest brown bear, two caribou, and a mountain goat in the last two years with a 25-06 shooting 80gr bullets...

Oh, his message was GFY! At 21 he is a little rough around the corners... I suspect he will mature and realize the body count means nothing and he needs to look at getting a bigger rifle...


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Originally Posted by SamOlson
I never really felt over-gunned shooting mule deer(bucks) with a 300 WSM.
Inside of 200 yards I would say a 223 will knock one down fairly easily on most shots. At 400 yards a 300 WSM will have more thump.


Never hit any big game yet in a vehicle(knock on wood).



Dude! You sure you work in the country?! (Grins)

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Hit a cow on a 4-wheeler and bent/cracked some chit last fall but she ran off unscathed. Wasn't even our cow...


Okay. That figures.....


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Originally Posted by Savage_99


I chose my Savage 99 F in .358 Winchester.



all the other silly comments aside, a pre-mil Model 99 in .358 would be a pretty sweet thumper.


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Originally Posted by TexasPhotog
Originally Posted by SamOlson
I never really felt over-gunned shooting mule deer(bucks) with a 300 WSM.
Inside of 200 yards I would say a 223 will knock one down fairly easily on most shots. At 400 yards a 300 WSM will have more thump.


Never hit any big game yet in a vehicle(knock on wood).



Dude! You sure you work in the country?! (Grins)

Originally Posted by SamOlson
Hit a cow on a 4-wheeler and bent/cracked some chit last fall but she ran off unscathed. Wasn't even our cow...


Okay. That figures.....




Almost hit about 8 deer, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only person I know who has never hit one!

Chitload of deer hit on the road at night by the farm. People driving too fast.

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Originally Posted by Savage_99
Since I have been hunting deer and other game for a lifetime here is how and why I chose the rifle I use prefer.

Most of my game hunting has been in Vermont where I have had a cabin for most of my life. We have hunted from there since 1964.

Right now its ready and the heat is on!

The hunting there has required that it be a buck with antlers.

Very few hunters get anything there.

The success rate has been about 10%, ie: one in ten get a buck!

I determined that if I had a powerful rifle and practiced with it I would get more.

I chose my Savage 99 F in .358 Winchester.

We run running deer matches at our rifle club here. I participate in them and in others in the region.

I tested rifles chambered for various cartridges and learned about bush cartridges.

I know a hunter will do better for this hunting shooting the most powerful rifle they can handle!

Those that use tiny cartridges for hunting are passing up shots and hurting our sport of hunting.

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........................An interesting post.

I notice in your original subject heading or headline the word "my". Well that is where things should stay imo. Sure! The 358 Win is a good woods round. But it is not the only nor is it the best possible solution for that usage.

If using "tiny cartridges" as you put it, are causing passing up on shots, then I suggest to you that it isn't the fault of those tiny cartridges. Regardless of caliber, the shots need to be properly placed along with using a good and proper bullet.

Using the most powerful rifle a person can handle will somehow make a hunter do better??? Oh really???

Well I can easily handle a friends 460 Wby. So does that mean that a 460 Wby is my best choice to use in the woods???

Although I don't own a high powered 22 caliber rifle, I have seen what they can do on deer and on hogs. Quite efficient.

The content in your original post is an emotional opinion at best. And the few who agree with you also bear the same emotional opinion.

Maybe the next time I do some woods hunting for elk sized game and smaller, I should leave my 300 WSM at home and take my 375 Ruger Alaskan?......LOL

The 300 WSM may not be powerful enough,,,,and it may cause me to pass on a few shots too???....LOL....LOL

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Fretting over what someone else uses seems like a colossal waste of time.

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Well, with S-99, the issue is "waste", in more ways than one.......

I have had the "pleasure" of his critical and, as one would expect, false comments directed at me and others here and on AR in past years. I soon realized that, while he DOES appear to own some nice rifles, he knows about as much about real hunting and wilderness life as "Mooshell" does about being a real lady.....

What can ya do, some do and some do not.......

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I love these "use a big gun, hit 'em wrong,and still blow 'em off their feet" kinda threads. smile





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Funny that Savage 99 started this fire and Swarf stopped by to douse it in gasoline, and now they're both pretty hard to find. If you're going to state your opinions guys, at least have the courage to defend them. Anybody can hit and run. And Swarf, I'm very eager to hear about how much more effective the .250-3000 is than the .243.

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Originally Posted by Savage_99






Those that use tiny cartridges for hunting are passing up shots and hurting our sport of hunting.








How is passing up on a shot that youre not confident in a bad thing?
Larger caliber doesn't compensate for poor marksmanship!
The last part of your sentence "hurting our sport of hunting" WTH do you mean by that??




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This mess started here:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ghtweight_stalking_woods_rif#Post9605841

I was looking for a lightweight rig pushing lightweight caliber choices and threw it out to the Fire to pick on. Next thing you know Savage 99 is talking about wounding the enemy of some army and was heartfelt about animals and I'm really confused as to what the hell he is talking about??? crazy

Savage I think you're a little high strung, buddy. Take a nap, have a cold one, talk to Jesus. I don't think anyone here is intentionally out to gut shoot dinks with a pellet gun!

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I'm sure there are only 2 people that posted on this thread that dumb Don doesn't have on ignore.


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