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Since I have been hunting deer and other game for a lifetime here is how and why I chose the rifle I use prefer. Most of my game hunting has been in Vermont where I have had a cabin for most of my life. We have hunted from there since 1964. Right now its ready and the heat is on! The hunting there has required that it be a buck with antlers. Very few hunters get anything there. The success rate has been about 10%, ie: one in ten get a buck! I determined that if I had a powerful rifle and practiced with it I would get more. I chose my Savage 99 F in .358 Winchester. We run running deer matches at our rifle club here. I participate in them and in others in the region. I tested rifles chambered for various cartridges and learned about bush cartridges. I know a hunter will do better for this hunting shooting the most powerful rifle they can handle! Those that use tiny cartridges for hunting are passing up shots and hurting our sport of hunting. ![[Linked Image]](http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1387707382l/1920049.jpg)
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Please make sure someone from your family lets us know when you pass.
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Those that use tiny cartridges for hunting are passing up shots and hurting our sport of hunting.
Most of my game hunting has been in Vermont where I have had a cabin for most of my life.
The emperor of campfire provincialism. 
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Trolling at its finest…
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If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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A turd of a turd Brush cartridges you really are a dolt
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Select a rifle hunting cartridge that is "Enough Gun" and not one designed to just wound the enemy!
"When the debate is lost insults become the tool of the loser"
Socrates
All guns should be locked up when not in use!
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Please make sure someone from your family lets us know when you pass. Now you gotta admit that that is funny!!!
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Select a rifle hunting cartridge that is "Enough Gun" and not one designed to just wound the enemy!
"When the debate is lost insults become the tool of the loser"
Socrates No insult here, just a dead spike, via a .223...launched from an evil black rifle, too... ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/2014%20spike_zpsvnuzcsfi.jpg) He ran 30 yards, and was done. Not unlike results from larger calibers.
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I don't care what size cartridge a guy uses just so its legal. But I do agree that Vermont deer hunting sucks! You definitely can't afford to pass up a shot at a buck in VT. I've seen more bulls than bucks in VT but now the Moose are gone too.
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I have Savage 99Fs in 358 and find that because of the stock design and weight, it is an uncomfortable rifle to shoot and, therefore, to shoot particularly well.
Vermont sucks as a hunting destination! A small deer herd means that you can go multiple years without even seeing a legal deer. Who, if they had a choice, would choose to hunt deer in Vermont? I used to hunt deer in ME, NH, and VT when I lived in New England and did a little better than average, but I hunted all over NH and VT.
The sport of hunting is diminishing in New England because more and more land is being posted, not because people aren't shooting deer with cartridges that you approve of. How hard is it to kill a deer? Shoot 'em though the lungs with a properly constructed bullet and they die in short order. I find that the combination of 22-250 and 60 grain Partition is easy to shoot, accurate, and deadly. If you tried it, you might like it.
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You haven't hunted a thing.
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Most of my game hunting has been in Vermont where I have had a cabin for most of my life.
Translation - I've shot fewer deer than just about anyone else here and therefore have the least experience on which to base my opinion.
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In many ways I agree with Savage 99. Robert Ruark was correct.
Those idiots who think that a 223 is perfect for deer and black bear are repugnant. To brag about how small a cartridge that you can kill something with is disgusting. To take any life and not give it a good death is disgusting. I think that these disgusting dolts should be sentenced to perhaps a miserable, slow, death by cancer. Give them what they deserve.
These thoughts are not provincialism. They are human decency. Our game deserves more than that from us. I always thought that whitetail rounds began with something like a 250 Savage, and went up in power from there.
I have taken but one critter in my life bigger than a whitetail, and that was an Alaskan bull moose. I used a 7mm Rem Mag with a 160 partition. As I looked in awe at it on the ground, my first thought was, "the guys are right... the Alaskan minimum for moose should be 30 caliber and up."
I promised myself, at that time, that if I ever took another Alaskan moose I would have a 338. "I" wasn't in a survival situation. "I" should be a better, more decent, person for having the privilege of taking that large Alaskan moose.
Sitting up in a tree and taking headshots "only" at 25 feet, over a corn pile, at night, is not hunting. There is a difference.
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Ain't seen a deer die faster than being shot through both shoulders with a 62 gr TTSX from a .22-250AI, it's like Zeus's lightning.Shot them with cartridges as large as .338-06 and 12 ga slugs and all points and places in between
Keep on guessing and preaching your bull crap unfounded morals
You can bullshit the fans but not the players
Keep guessing while I keep killing
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In many ways I agree with Savage 99. Robert Ruark was correct.
Those idiots who think that a 223 is perfect for deer and black bear are repugnant. To brag about how small a cartridge that you can kill something with is disgusting. To take any life and not give it a good death is disgusting. I think that these disgusting dolts should be sentenced to perhaps a miserable, slow, death by cancer. Give them what they deserve.
These thoughts are not provincialism. They are human decency. Our game deserves more than that from us. I always thought that whitetail rounds began with something like a 250 Savage, and went up in power from there.
I have taken but one critter in my life bigger than a whitetail, and that was an Alaskan bull moose. I used a 7mm Rem Mag with a 160 partition. As I looked in awe at it on the ground, my first thought was, "the guys are right... the Alaskan minimum for moose should be 30 caliber and up."
I promised myself, at that time, that if I ever took another Alaskan moose I would have a 338. "I" wasn't in a survival situation. "I" should be a better, more decent, person for having the privilege of taking that large Alaskan moose.
Sitting up in a tree and taking headshots "only" at 25 feet, over a corn pile, at night, is not hunting. There is a difference. Newsflash Chief, I've killed Moose with the .30-30, .30-06, and .450 Marlin and it doesn't matter what cartridge you use. They soak up lead and either stand there looking stupid or run off and collapse. And when they're down you still have to wait about two minutes for them to die.
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Bit extreme, old boy, in hunting for exactly the same period as Savage 99, all over BC and working for many years all over BC, much of wilderness Alberta and some of our Canadian northern territories, I have seen a fair amount of game kills including about a dozen Grizzlies.
I LOVE the .338WM-250 NP, but, this is due to living alone in remote Grizzly country on BCFS Lookouts, where you had only your own resources to stay safe and help was OFTEN NOT available due to weather.
However, I have seen a LOT of big Elk, Moose and one Grizzly killed dead with the .270Win and most guys used .30-06s. I had mentors who shot hundreds of game animals for food in the Depression and later, legally, as Canadian government workers in the north.
The BEST of these used 7x57, .30-40 and .30-06 rifles and a .308Win. 180NP has been the choice of a LOT of real pro bushmen I have known.
I read Hemingway's imitator, Ruark, at the time I started this period of my life and he was, here in BC, pretty much a joke.
All of this said, S-99 is not the most credible poster here on such issues, but, seems to have some nice rifles. A bit too much enthusiasm and very little bush time, IMHO.
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I always thought that whitetail rounds began with something like a 250 Savage, and went up in power from there.
So a .243 isn't a deer round then. Check. You're in shotgun country in Ohio, yes? I'd rather shoot a deer with a good bullet in a 22.250 than shoot them with a shotgun slug.
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Those idiots who think that a 223 is perfect for deer and black bear are repugnant. To brag about how small a cartridge that you can kill something with is disgusting. How many deer have you shot with the .223? How did it fail you? I always thought that whitetail rounds began with something like a 250 Savage, and went up in power from there. What did you base that on? How many deer have you shot with smaller cartridges? Which cartridges? Under what circumstances did they fail? have taken but one critter in my life bigger than a whitetail, and that was an Alaskan bull moose. I used a 7mm Rem Mag with a 160 partition. As I looked in awe at it on the ground, my first thought was, "the guys are right... the Alaskan minimum for moose should be 30 caliber and up." Now this one is a real peach! You are looking at a dead moose on the ground and think the cartridge/bullet combo failed you? How far did the moose make it after you shot him? What was the shot placement? Sitting up in a tree and taking headshots "only" at 25 feet, over a corn pile, at night, is not hunting. There is a difference. Well doing it night is likely illegal. But suppose you were sitting watching a stand of white oaks? Is that somehow different? How about watching a watering hole? Is that not hunting either? Wow… John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Those idiots who think that a 223 is perfect for deer and black bear are repugnant. To brag about how small a cartridge that you can kill something with is disgusting. To take any life and not give it a good death is disgusting. I think that these disgusting dolts should be sentenced to perhaps a miserable, slow, death by cancer. Give them what they deserve.
You must be a Christian. Travis
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Savage99, I would get the biggest caliber you can find..............to Compensate!
If your already packing............... a 223AI just might be sufficient!
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