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That would look uber with a "hotrod" sportster and some surplus chit duct taped on...

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Originally Posted by SamOlson
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Cool rifle Flave but too bad it's in such a lame cartridge.


The 30-06....

Too big for rabbits and too small for elephants.
But good enough for everything in between. grin


Exactly.
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Somebody gave me an 03-A3 about 35 years ago. It had been partially "sporterized" by his father, with what appeared to be pocket-knife checkering.

I finished the job by adding a Fajen stock, having it drilled and tapped for a scope, added a low-swing safety, and bent the bolt handle.

It has an original 2-groove barrel with the "flaming bomb" ordnance mark and dated 9-43.

The barrel has a long throat but it shoots both the Sierra 165-grain HPBT and the Hornady 190-grain BTSP pretty well.


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Originally Posted by Jocko_Slugshot
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Thanks, that's good detail.

I would assume the Garand sights were calibrated for the M2 load. But the 1903A3, maybe the M2, maybe the M1 load?


That's a good question because the Springfield rifle was used by many competitors at the National Matches between WW1 and WW2.
I'd think that the 172-grain load would be better at long range due to the better ballistic coefficient.



I agree.

I believe the M1 172gr had a BC of about .490. The M2 150gr was about .400 BC.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
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Thanks, that's good detail.

I would assume the Garand sights were calibrated for the M2 load. But the 1903A3, maybe the M2, maybe the M1 load?


That's a good question because the Springfield rifle was used by many competitors at the National Matches between WW1 and WW2.
I'd think that the 172-grain load would be better at long range due to the better ballistic coefficient.



I agree.

I believe the M1 172gr had a BC of about .490. The M2 150gr was about .400 BC.


Also, I think it was O'Connor that wrote that the 172-grain load had to use a slower-burning powder which caused high port pressures and bent M-1 operating rods. So, the solution was to develop the M-2 load with DuPont 4895 powder, using about 49 to 51 grains, depending on lot number.

Another theory was that the 172-grain load had a maximum range of 5,500 yards which exceeded the safety zone of many target ranges. I think the 150-grain M2 load had a maximum range of 3,500 so was more easily contained within the safety zone.

Again, I'm posting from memory of what JOC wrote many decades ago.


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To add to the numbers:

Hatcher's Notebook

1903 220 gr. rnd nose 2300 fps.
1906 150 gr. spitzer 2700 fps.
1926 150 gr. type E 9 deg. BT. 2700 fps

WWII
M1 174.5 gr. 2674 fps.
M2 152 gr. FB. 2805 fps.
M2 AP 168.5 grs. 2775 fps


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Originally Posted by Jocko_Slugshot


The 03-A3 was a WW2 version of the '03 Springfield rifle.

We used the M-2 load in WW2 which was 150/152-grain bullet at roughly 2,800 fps.


Thank you Jocko. That's what I was looking for.

I hereby promote you.



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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Jocko_Slugshot


The 03-A3 was a WW2 version of the '03 Springfield rifle.

We used the M-2 load in WW2 which was 150/152-grain bullet at roughly 2,800 fps.


Thank you Jocko. That's what I was looking for.

I hereby promote you.



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Originally Posted by SamOlson
Cool rifle Flave but too bad it's in such a lame cartridge.


The 30-06....

Too big for rabbits and too small for elephants.


Wrong and wrong.



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Originally Posted by Jocko_Slugshot
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Thanks, that's good detail.

I would assume the Garand sights were calibrated for the M2 load. But the 1903A3, maybe the M2, maybe the M1 load?


That's a good question because the Springfield rifle was used by many competitors at the National Matches between WW1 and WW2.
I'd think that the 172-grain load would be better at long range due to the better ballistic coefficient.



Now you two are making my head hurt.

I'm going to run the 150ish grain stuff @ 2700 and see if they match the sights.



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Originally Posted by THOMASMAGNUM
That would look uber with a "hotrod" sportster and some surplus chit duct taped on...


You should see my canteen. It's straight UBER.



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Isn't Shrapnel friends with Mike Venturino? He'd know what to recommend.

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Very cool rifle; looks like the Strother Martin model from The Wild Bunch!


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Hey D where did you manage ta find one so clean and with the rear arpature sight...ScottyO.

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Glad somebody asked cause I'm dying to know.


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Nothing wrong with 03's or 03A3's either, have 4 myself not a one of them a dresser like yours. When they are minty looking like yours all original they bring damn good money. Mine had all been sporterized before I got them. Shooters every one of them, my Smith Corona 03A3 has 03 bottom metal,cleaned up trigger in a thumbhole stock with the original chamber run out to 308 Norma Mag. My Remington 03A3 was drilled and tapped for a Redfield Jr one piece mount with the little flip up peep on the back to work with the orig frt sight. (there are about 5 different GI blade heights for the frt)It's also d&T for a Redfield rec sight. Like a P64 M70 they are a solid rifle no pastic sheet anywhere. Keep your eye peeled at the next gunshows you do, seems like somebody is allways peddling some 60's LC Match ammo less than Wallyworld prices or just M2 ball. Then you have a reference load. Some 168 hp boatails and H4895 will make her talk hard. And snag any clean black tipped AP you find, never know when your gonna need to shoot thru an inch of steel to get the rabbit behind it. To bad you didn't get it earlier for elk season. Magnum Man

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Have a "sporterized" Springfield 1903 and it's load is a 220 gr Hornady RN at about 2350+ fps.


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Travis,
I can buy the dies here easily any time. They run about $35-37 plus 6% sales tax, $2 cheaper at the gun show last weekend.

Lee or Hornady are readily available. Give me a shout and let me know what you want. Be glad to ship you a set.

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WHERE'D YOU GET THAT OLD THING? DID YOU SAY 30yds OR 300? IT WOULD DEFINITELY KILL A DEER AT 300. JUST PUT THAT BABY ON THE CENTER OF THE SHOULDER AND SHOOT. powdr

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Too cool all around. I shot my first deer with my Dad's Remington 03A3 (sporterized) at age 13 in 1974. I always hoped to inherit it someday but it's long gone. I've wanted a Springfield ever since but haven't found the right one. I'm envious - yours is exactly how I'd want one...

Edit to add: not sure if this helps with the ammo question, but we always practiced with milsurp ammo and hunted with Remington 150 factory rounds which shot to the same point.

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