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C It's still just amazing to me that far left Vermont has much better gun laws than TX, and always has. VT is an interesting place. They might be liberal, but they sure are anti-government. Odd, but reminds me of one of those four-quadrent charts. Yeah, it is odd. My opinion doesn't mean squat, I'd like to carry for protection but it's just not worth the drama or political skin. I always carry in the truck but not on the person to avoid these jurisdictional complications. I feel like the anti's are winning with guys like me that just want life to be a little less complicated. You're right; they are winning with guys like you. No offense, but you've given over your rights because it might mean that you have to put forth an effort or that (heaven forbid) you might conceivably make someone uncomfortable at some point in time. This comes as no intended insult to you; just a statement of fact. Life, and liberty, are complicated.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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i carry regardless of the law.
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Not really interested in what Austin has to say. Or Dallas. Or Houston.
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DeMoss was the family out of Virgina, they married into the hunter's here.
God bless Texas-----------------------
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I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull
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You're right; they are winning with guys like you. No offense, but you've given over your rights because it might mean that you have to put forth an effort or that (heaven forbid) you might conceivably make someone uncomfortable at some point in time.
This comes as no intended insult to you; just a statement of fact.
Life, and liberty, are complicated.
Well, that's your opinion, for what it's worth. I find myself wanting to resist the tyranny but not really clear on how getting arrested over a technicality of legal carry helps anyone, including me or my family. If I thought it could help the cause, then maybe?? I believe this is how they win. Keep us concerned with our daily obligations, family, keeping our record clean, etc, and pretty soon we just cave in, one tiny piece at a time, without even agreeing to it. It's not like we all decided to be milquetoast one day and let the world roll over us. If there was a clear way to resist, that didn't end up with me losing all my rights or sitting in jail, don't you think I'd be there? The deck is stacked against us, especially when you factor in the need to take care of a family. If I was a single man I can see things playing out differently. If I'm making some false assumptions, I'd be open to hearing. Thanks Sean.
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You're right; they are winning with guys like you. No offense, but you've given over your rights because it might mean that you have to put forth an effort or that (heaven forbid) you might conceivably make someone uncomfortable at some point in time.
This comes as no intended insult to you; just a statement of fact.
Life, and liberty, are complicated.
Well, that's your opinion, for what it's worth. I find myself wanting to resist the tyranny but not really clear on how getting arrested over a technicality of legal carry helps anyone, including me or my family. If I thought it could help the cause, then maybe?? I believe this is how they win. Keep us concerned with our daily obligations, family, keeping our record clean, etc, and pretty soon we just cave in, one tiny piece at a time, without even agreeing to it. It's not like we all decided to be milquetoast one day and let the world roll over us. If there was a clear way to resist, that didn't end up with me losing all my rights or sitting in jail, don't you think I'd be there? The deck is stacked against us, especially when you factor in the need to take care of a family. If I was a single man I can see things playing out differently. If I'm making some false assumptions, I'd be open to hearing. Thanks Sean. CCW is not impossible in OR, is it? If it isn't, why don't you at least give yourself that option? Of course the deck is stacked against you; it's stacked against all of us. The question is whether or not we even bother to play a hand. I've a family, too, and have done my level best to be able to care for them and take care of them. My wife does likewise.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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A man picks and chooses his battles.  Does not mean when the chips are down that I won't end up on the right side, just that not every day is the day for the big battles.
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Unrestricted, unlicensed open carry worries me, but licensed open carry does, also. Just don't see the need. Why should we have to have a license to exercise a right that The Constituion says we have...?
Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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Concealed carry I fully support, licensed, of course. Again, why do we need a license to exercise a right The Constitution says we have...? The criminals out there who are carrying a firearm on their person sure aren't "licensed".
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i carry regardless of the law. Damn straight. Which other rights that The Constitution acknowledges that we have require us to get a damn license to exercise that right...!
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Not really interested in what Austin has to say. Or Dallas. Or Houston. And I'm not really interested in what the law has to say about it. Period. I'm carryin', and I don't give a rats ass about the law on this issue.
Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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I'd like to see a copy of the actual poll and the numbers for each answer. A summing of percentages may not actually mirror the overall feelings of the population. An old book titled "How to lie with statistics" furnishes some great examples
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I'd like to see a copy of the actual poll and the numbers for each answer. A summing of percentages may not actually mirror the overall feelings of the population. An old book titled "How to lie with statistics" furnishes some great examples 75% of those polled say that the book is inaccurate. 90% of them say there is no way to lie with statistics.
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Some folks need to learn what "Shall not be infringed" means. CORRECT! IT'S A FAR BROADER RIGHT THAN "NON-DENIAL". IT IMPLIES ALSO THAT GOVT CAN'T THROW UP ROADBLOCKS OF ANY SORT.
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Some folks need to learn what "Shall not be infringed" means. CORRECT! IT'S A FAR BROADER RIGHT THAN "NON-DENIAL". IT IMPLIES ALSO THAT GOVT CAN'T THROW UP ROADBLOCKS OF ANY SORT. It's amazing that we have any rights left at all with all the anti-gunners on this ostensibly "gun site" alone. Unreal how many folks want to restrict their own natural rights.
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Every time a Poll is brought up it is always to take something away from the people. A Poll can be twisted to say anything. Just depends on how you read the data.
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Not really interested in what Austin has to say. Or Dallas. Or Houston. And I'm not really interested on what the law has to say about it. Period. I'm carryin', and I don't give a rats ass about the law on this issue. Amen!
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Some folks need to learn what "Shall not be infringed" means. CORRECT! IT'S A FAR BROADER RIGHT THAN "NON-DENIAL". IT IMPLIES ALSO THAT GOVT CAN'T THROW UP ROADBLOCKS OF ANY SORT. It does not IMPLY that government cannot throw up roadblocks - it states it very clearly.
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I like Vermont's way the best. Carry openly or concealed, without a permit.
I like that. Michigan requires a license to carry concealed, but open carry is legal in most places. Also, in a strange twist of laws, a CPL holder cannot carry concealed in a public school, but CAN open carry at those same schools with that same CPL. IIRC, the states of Wyoming, Arizona, and Alaska have adopted Vermont's way of doing things. arizona still has a CCW license which is handy when buying stuff at gun stores. Other than that and interstate travel, no. You can carry openly, or concealed without any restrictions except in bars school yards etc. This was changed to this a few years ago and i don't see really a lot of open carry in the city, doesn't seem to have made much of a difference. For sure, there hasn't been a blood bath. we have always had open carry, i was packing a pistol when i was 11 years old, no big deal.
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You are losing your state, Texans. I suggest you fight , rather than dismiss.
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