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Good work, nice buck.

Nice buck Blue!




Travis

Pretty buck Blue...

I got him in 2013. He's not very wide, but he's probably the only 6x6 I'll ever see in the field.

I talked my buddy into shooting a 6x6... said if he didn't I was going to.

Rationally it wasn't a great move as he was a bit too young, but I doubt he'll ever see another... and if he does maybe he'll let me....

Guess what width measures? Air...nothing.....i'll take mass and length any day...

I believe the blur for my lines may be like the new Noveske 16 inch rogue hunter with its 4 pound upper using their new rail. Someone tell me why a SS barreled very accurate AR made by a premier builder would NOT be something even better than the Jack carbine for a general purpose gun, the "must have" 14.5 inch pinned barrel excluded.

I agree that for a lot of people (me included) the Rogue Hunter is about ideal. I recommended one to somebody here just a few weeks ago.

But that Jack Carbine is marketed to a particular group who are pretty zealous about:
"Tier 1" trainers
BCM
In particular, BCM 14.5" mid-length guns
The CL barrel will be lighter, which is important because they're gonna have a lot of stuff hanging off the rail.
The CL barrel will last longer (which is somehow important even if you'll never ever ever shoot it enough to shoot out the barrel).
Anything Geissele.

The concept is viable and worthwhile with adjustments for each shooter. But that Jack carbine is carefully built for marketing.

how many rounds you think to shoot out the Jack barrel? I would figure at least 5000 from the Noveske polygonal stainless?

That's a tricky question because people shooting SS barrels usually have good glass and want more accuracy than most shooters. But at least 5K for what I'd need out of it.

The guys buying Jacks are doing drills between 7-100 yards, with a LOT of that being under 50 yards. For their intended purpose, that barrel will last well over 20K rounds. Long enough that they'll never have to really consider it.

You can google up "Filthy 14", a BCM AR that went over 30K rounds and still shot 2" groups at 50 yards, which is still better than most people can shoot offhand.

That was me. I weighed it today at the shop....6lbs 4oz bare.

My lines are blurred for sure. I don't run them hard. I want something light with a stainless barrel for coyote hunting and busting steel. I'm now at the point I think I need two rifles...and that's doable. One with optics and the other with a red dot. Different purposes for each, but lots of fun with both.

My wife recently decided that my 18" Stag 3G (previously my do-all AR) was "hers". She wanted the 1-6 scope pulled off for a spare EoTech from the safe. Being a good husband I relented which really means that I found a good deal on a 16" factory built Troy Defense AR.

I only have about 300 rounds through it (it will be losing its quad rail for a keymod soon which is my only complaint) but so far it or my old Stag blur the lines for me in a "do-all" AR and there isn't much they cant do day to day.

P.S. both are sub $1500 actual cost. A few buddies have the Haley and they are very nice but easily matched/built for less.

If the barrel would do a 1/2-1MOA it would be all I could use. I would put a 1-6 on it and do a lot with it.

this is what I put on my guns, but I have always shot 1911's and AR's with a lot of oil on them.

note I think filthy 14 is a 16 inch barreled gun with a mid length gas system, not the 14.5 Haley Carbine length.

Every round that has gone down that barrel has been fired at class, with an average of approximately 1,300 rounds every three days. It has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube (EWL).

What was the point of this 15-month exercise? We know than an AR built to the spec will run more reliably for a longer period of time than a hobby gun. We have run a number of guns to over 15,000 rounds without cleaning—or malfunctions—as long as they were kept well lubricated. And because we have over 20 Bravo Company guns in the armory, we also understand that the quality of one is not an accident.

The "parts is just parts" crowd will always howl about how their guns never give them any trouble so this milspec crap is just crap. Same guys that say an AK is more reliable.