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Looking back, I think the best thing for a beginner is a rough, gritty, heavy, factory trigger. A crappy trigger will make a shooter work for tiny groups and understand that accuracy doesn't come from a new trigger, high powered scope, or free float rail. Trying to tell someone that isn't easy though as everyone was born a marksman and few are willing to fix the real problem when they can cover it with a bandaid.

As for the rifle configuration above, thats pretty much what I like, although I think the 14.5" barrel length is dumb. The AR has come a long way since the Colt 6920 and there are better options. The problem is there are so many options its just easier to tell someone to start out with a good base rifle and let them learn from there. If someone doesn't like AR's after they shoot a good one, there is something wrong with them. A new trigger and handguard ain't gonna fix it.

I had a conversation with 3 old geezer's such as myself last night at a Church meeting and the subject was Golf Clubs. Let's say in the kindest manner that the controversy over which club and why was similar to the conversations we have here. I walked away from that table with a different perspective. Unless your a pro and hit a driver to produce a 90MPH ball, the differences between Golf clubs for everyone not a pro are in mostly in your head. The standard advice of a Colt 6920 and an Aimpoint T1 in a QD LaRue mount plus a decent 3-9 something or whatever scope in the QD LaRue mount is really at the limits of my capability along with probably 90% of the gun golfers here and 99.9999% of the guys wanting to buy their first set of clubs and "get into the game". At past the Colt 6920 limit I now think (my opinion) we are (provided some sort of light mount), talking about ergo's and likes/want's, and of couse its our right to waste money as we see fit!

The LaRue is an expensive addition to a base rifle when there are other choices that work as well for less... I think its one of those top line golf clubs... just IMHO.

PEPR has let mroe than a few of us shoot tiny groups...as has a WOP base...

How does the PEPR do when you remove it to shoot irons and remount it? I have faith in my LaRue mounts as well as the ADM. The PEPR is $100 or more for the QD version and the LaRue is $210, ADM is $175, I'll pay the difference to KNOW my scope is still zeroed.

Again, start with a good 16 or 18" barrel and buy what suits your style, I like 2 stage triggers, SOPMOD stocks that adjust to fit and skinny float tubes but someone else might be wrong and that's ok!

LOL, we all run differently... my guns either run irons or optics. I see no need for the use of both.

If I take a PEPR off, its to put a different scope on the gun, and likely change its zero's and ammo at the same time.

I don't see the need for the majority of folks to swap back and forth either.

BUT if thats the case, you should go whole hog or check the mounts.

FWIW I"ve used a couple of other mounts over the years, can't actually call the names other than the leatherwood, and if you watch the way you put it back on, it was usually within a 3-6 inches of return if not on. This at 300 which was my group testing range distance. I personally think a LOT of making them return to zero is snugging in the slots before tightening the "bolts" down. Regardless of mount.

Maybe if it warms up I'll go play with one of mine and get back as to how it does on retunring.

Still makes me laugh thinking that who wiht a deer rifle would take their scope off and on, and what prompts someone with an AR to do the same but works for you, its good for me.

think back 100 years. A Mauser 98, or a Springfield started blurring the lines between tactical, competition and hunting rifles.....

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

More or less a near perfect gun for all things other than a dedicated vehicle gun, IMO..........

I don't want a short barrel for hunting either, gives up too much velocity.

MM

Didn't figure you to be so narrow minded...

I used to swap an Aimpoint for a scope and back when conditions required it. Still pop the scope off and practice with irons too.

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Noooo.....My nearly identical AR is the perfect AR!!!

Uhh, yeah, No. The PEPR is well under $100 now. I've seen 'em in the high $'60's via internet email sales.

I was comparing the QD model.

Also seen some air soft copies out there so be careful chasing cheap.

My 6.8 looks like that; FDE everywhere except the receivers. I have not gotten around to getting them coated

These guys will probably go hunting next month...

LOL not narrow minded, just have different ARs for different purposes if htat makes sense.

I guess I can see it if you have one or two, but that generally doesn't enter my mind.... my last "purchase" was what most would consider a considerable amount of lowers... LOL.

I don't much like swapping stuff on and off.

Makes sense though now the way you put it. And I've about given up on red dots after some bad issues with them hunting in teh woods. Have about gone to magnified optics or irons and nothing between.

But I bet my eyes get me on the irons eventually.

I'm going to follow Mav's advice and try a new buffer in my buttstock.



Travis

Two things that makes a great AR greater is a good barrel and trigger, everything else is just Christmas Decorations

Spoken as someone who doesn't know how an AR works.