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For you 260 guys that have played with them a lot.
I'm having a 260 built on a 1/8 twist that's will be used to hunt sub 200lb deer and shoot steel. Ranges will be 600 yards and in most of the time with some playing with steel to 1000.
I have read a lot about different options but was wanting some real world experience. I have considered the 123 scenar, 139 scenar or the 130 or 140 Berger.
I guess my main question is will the veoilicity of the lighter bullets make up for the bc of the heavier bullets? Any experience in target or on game performance will be appreciated.
Thanks

I've had good luck with the 130 Berger Hunting VLD. On broadside shots in the lungs they exit. Shoulder shots, they break one or both and end up stopping under the offside hide. They seem to kill very quickly. I heart shot a buck this year and it went maybe 30 yards top, which is not normal in my experience for a heart shot. Obviously Berger's are very accurate so not much to say there. I've killed 6 bucks and a pig with them in the last couple years.

Also curious about velocity. Mine will finish at 26".

With 26" you should be able to get 2950 with the 123's, not sure about the others.

I'm at 2809 with a 140 Amax in a 22"..,

123/139 Scenars are damn near on top of each other at the speeds given. Reckon it depends on which hair you wanna split.

Probably a bit faster than that if you want, especially with a 26".

I'm getting 3020 with the 123 A-Max, and that's just a Creedmoor in a 22" barrel.

Yep.

Try to get 3000fps with the 130gr class bullets....that will leave the 140gr class bullets in the dust at real world .260 velocities(2800ish), regardless of the better BC's of the heavier 6.5 bullets.

I get 2800fps with 139gr. Scenar's in a 24 inch Rock barrel, and 3000fps out of the 123gr Scenar from my GAP built 260.

BC is everything, speed doesn't last, 139/140 is the way to go

I ran the 130 VLD at 3000 fps vr. the 140 VLD at 2800 in Ballistic AE

The wind drift at 1000 was similar but the 140 had a tad less...

Stunt shooter!!! Seriously though, love that avatar.

About what can be expected I'm sure but I'm getting 3090 and 3086 out of 2 different 260 AI's with 21" and 22" barrels and 123 AMAX or SST with RL 17.

I have got to try the 123 Scenar one day.

I am loading the 130 AB in front of RE-17 in a 6,5X47 Lapua. It is achieving 2850 from a 24" tube. The 260 Rem and a Booger should get you to 3000...the AB has a larger bearing surface thus more friction, me thinks. The 130 AB at 2850 does well on deer, though. Close and not so close, IME.

Here is a poor pic of a 129 LRAB taken out of a coues deer that broke about all the bone you can break in a coues deer at around 250 yds.
Very short bearing surface and easier to get a bit more velocity if you are a Nosler fan.

I have used the 130 gr. berger on a half dozen antelope and one 250 lbish hog, works perfectly. I have been tempted to try the 140 gr. bullets but have not yet as the 130 has been all I could ask for. The Nosler manuel lists the 129 gr. ABLR as achieving 3045 with a 26 " barrel and Reloader 17.This load in my 30" barreled gun( with 130 gr Berger) betters that by a tiny bit and will hold 3 shots in a inch at 250 yds.
With 130 gr. JLKs it is just as accurate and they have a BC around .595 (G1)...... I have not use them for any hunting as I have very few. and they can be hard to come by.
Below is the poor piggy , second shot was Insurance and unnecessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UQTQpEUni0

That's smoking right along! RL 17 seems to do pretty well in this class, that's what I'm using in my 6.5C too.

I need to try the 123 Scenar too, but am pretty happy with the 123 Amax on paper so far. Are they any good on meat?

I mostly have used the SST on game. It has worked for me and I can't tell any difference in accuracy in either of my 260 AI's between the 2 bullets. Same BC too, at least according to Hornady.

140gr 6,5mm amax is the One True Bullet and I am it's prophet

Real world wind drift.......

Do y'all have better luck with the Bergers kissing the lands or letting them jump alittle. I've had trouble getting them to shoot in the past.
I've read the scenars are alittle easier to get to shoot, any thoughts?

Nice horn shot...what's the story behind that?

Thought you said BC was everything?

That would be the Fires self proclaimed LR Guru rcamuglia's dink ram that he posted he hammered at 500 yds in one post and then crushed his shoulder at 350 yds in another post... You can see it in his pics if you look close... Never a mention of the Horn shot... But then that wouldn't make him a cool guy would it...

Looks like perhaps he should be taking notes vs giving advice about Long Range Hunting...

Looks like this thread will end up being as long as the 900 yard head shot thread now

Interesting

beats the 120/130s on BC unless you believe Noslers numbers (lol) and damn, that amax terminal performance just can't be beat

I load to touch lands and accuracy has been excellent. They also have enough neck tension to not pull out when extracted.

While definitely no expert here.... I've had them shoot great anywhere from .005" jammed to .030" off. Find where it wants the powder charge at a kiss and adjust accordingly..

The Scenars have been a breeze to tune and are noticeably more consistent IME.

I wouldn't discount anything Pat says..... Hint

NM,

Ive followed Bergers instructions and its worked in 5 or 6 rifles. Pick a powder charge and load the bullets -.10, .-50, .-90, -.130 off the lands. My rifles have varied from one liking 5 or so thousandth in the lands to my .260 liking it the best -.130 off. I tried in the lands with my 300wm before I knew about trying the -.10 etc. above. I also have a rifle that is jumping a loooong way and it shoots well also.

I've run both on steel out to 825 yards and have used the 130gr Hunting VLD quite a bit on critters. To answer your question, as far as windage goes, it's a wash. As far as trajectory goes, the 130gr VLD wins. I had an easier time getting the best accuracy with the 130gr VLDs than with the Amaxes. I've not used the Amaxes on critters, but the 130gr VLD launched at 2900ish absolutely hammers stuff.

Given the cost difference, I wish I could get the Amaxes to shoot better than the VLDs for me, but that just hasn't been the case.

John

Only beats the 130 VLD by a slim margin. Gives in to the BC of the 130gr JLK.

How many .260 barrels have you wore out?

You forgot he 130gr JLK.

Gains in BC are not exponential.

Watched a herd of 20 sheep starting at about 1500 yards for about an hour work their way up a draw to a saddle towards me. 3 good rams in the bunch. The wind was whipping pretty good and not in one direction. I picked out the biggest one and decided to let him get to the saddle at 500 yards before I would take him because of the wind situation.

He was quartering to my left showing his left shoulder. He put his head down to graze which put his neck level with the shoulder and the horn covered the left side of his neck.

The wind call was a tough one. I was shooting the .264 WM and the 139 at warp speed so I decided to hold straight up. The bullet had about 10" of drift to the left and went through the horn and into the neck. He trotted about 100 yards pretty sickly and stopped. I shot him again in the shoulder to finish.



Had an awesome hunt...

That can not be because everyone knows a match bullet will not penetrate when hitting a rib let alone an aoudad horn!!!!!! Nice ram ....

I'll be shooting Scenars at everything I hunt. That was my first experience with them on anything bigger than prairie dogs. I'm impressed.

"Real world" wind drift happens if you shoot enough. In the conditions that day, it was wise to let him get closer before the shot was taken. Worked out well

You didn't by chance fling any 123's, did you?

Tony,

If you had spent as much time actually watching the videos you post as you have sleuthing Rick's ram that thread might have gonna little better for you.

I guess we all got our different priorities and that chip on your shoulder ain't gonna stay there all on it's own. "dink ram" was a classy move.

Hint??

Rick,

Congrats on the Ram. Looks like a good time was had by all.

Oh how cute... J-Wow showing up to aid Snookie... I spent very little time sleuthing Snookie's Ram as he did quite well on his own... A self proclaimed LR Guru/LR hunter showing up to a self guided hunt, in an area well known for large rams, and ground checking two dink rams and then digging out the checkbook to out dink his dink with another dink is entertaining... Horn shooting it due to a neglected wind call from the persona snookie tries to put out to the masses was just a bonus...

If you spent as much time trying to run a successful business verses trying to appear to be a "Big Boy", BTDT guy, spray tanning gunfighter and neglecting your sobriety, perhaps you wouldn't have been a failure over and over again...

The video thread went quite well... You showed your true jackass colors by side stepping each and every direct question presented to you as only the true jackass you are could do... For the numerous times you've failed in life you sure try to carry yourself as something special... Your Jackassery knows no bounds...

As for this Proverbial "Chip" I have on my shoulder,if it poses a problem for you or your significant other, Snookie, feel free to do something about it... You Big Boy Badass Gunfighter you...

Thanks John. We did have a great time; awesome country and awesome hunt. Wish you could have made it.

I'm definitely a better Barbary judge with my hands on the horns and a tape measure than by using binoculars

...but I don't think that's unusual. The guide told us a story of a client of his that wanted to shoot something and it was getting to the end of the hunt. He spotted a ram for him and the client shot it. When they got up to it the guide exclaimed, "You blew his balls clean off!" It was a ewe...

I had so much fun shooting the two I did and the deal was so good, I hope I can work a deal for 3 next time


ehg, I have no idea what your issue is, but it's nice to see you're so concerned. Your feet must hurt from stomping up and down. Be careful you could create some "agita" in your tummy...

Dude.... Are [bleep] kidding me? That's gotta be one of the stupidest [bleep] things I've heard come out of your mouth and I thought you did a swell job of filling an ark with jibber jabber in the 4 days I was in your presence...

I didn't realize till a couple days ago you tried to mislead the masses with your claim of a 500yd " kill" shot on the second ram.... Wounding, horn shots don't count Rick... You wanna publicly tell me I'm wrong on that? You know that is complete horse schit. You' re about Coldboremiracle level in my book.... He was only stupider enough to make a video of it and blast it all over the internet... Animal recovery aside...

With all your "expertise", the internet bravado you put up and your match shooting, ninja skills ( which you swear makes you a better hunter) you think you would have had sense enough not to botch that shot. OR realize you were in over your head and wait for the ram to feed closer.... After all... Isn't that what they were doing? But I guess 500 yards sounds better on the internet, eh?

Burns and Rick on an Aoudad hunt together... Not sure W Tx is ready for that kinda entertainment. Like Elmer said, "Hell, I was there". Once was good enough for me....

SCHIT just got REAL in here....

Josh, schit in TX is bigger.....including the bs I guess...Lol.

Taking a shot that you are unprepared for doesn't usually bode well for neither the hunter or the animal. If they were feeding towards me I would have waited for a shot opportunity that I can competently achieve. Maybe you should do the same RC....

I've guided several guys that said they can shoot but almost crap themselves when the bull elk comes crashing through the trees screaming their heads off.....

Josh, were you able to harvest a nice ram as well? I hope so. I'd be interested in pics or a link....

To the OP... I've had great results with a few 6.5 bullets... the 123,136,139 Scenars, 130 Sirocco 2's, the Berger VLD's and the 140 Amax... Lotta good projectiles out there for the 6.5 class...



I have no issues or concerns Snookie... At the point when I do, you'll be the first to know SweetHeart...

Lets hear some more on this super tough wind call at 500 yds that stumped you, considering your Superior standing of course... LMFAO...

I can't disagree with anything you said Gonzaga.... Spot on IMO....
Have seen the melt down of a fair number of hunters myself when hair gets involved.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...Another_good_W_Tx_Aoudad....#Post9584487

Thanks for that link bro....you got a nice trophy there....them scars on the face say it all....tough animals, and tough terrain...hopefully good eating as well. I hear that most guys use the meat in sausage....says it's very tough otherwise. I've never shot or even hunted for one yet....I might have to change that though.

Interested to see more guys post some results of their 260's.....

Here is a thought. How about you, gonzaga, hang anything you have actually done at LR. You seem to like to post drivel, maybe you have actually accomplished something.

Figure we are gonna end up with CRICKETS here.

260 is a fine cartridge, a ballistic twin to the 6.5x55, what more need be said ?

I had a DPMS LR (24") one that drove tacks but at 13 pounds, scoped and loaded it was not a walk around gun.

Why it has not caught on more is a mystery. I suppose everyone want's hyper velocity 6.5s.

Shuda kept my 94 Swede !

Are you frucking serious? Animal recovery aside????

The entire point of the well deserved beat down of CBM was a non recovered animal.

So you didn't get along with Rick on the hunt, even after he hauled your ass and ram out of the hills. Big Fruckin Deal. Pretty sure Rick and I did not see eye to eye on our first meeting here on 24 hr . I just didn't back stab him to kiss ass on the Snipers Hide rejects tryin to find a new place to post.

Josh,

Let me lay this out so there is nothing that is not pretty clear between you and me.

I think you are a low life douche that back stabbed a guy that you hunted with and that actually hauled you and your game out of the hills.

I think you have very limited hunting experience but wish to act like that is much more.

I think that if you and Rick had shooting comp you would be humiliated.

Do you want to bet that Rick will stomp your silly ass into the ground at a open shooting comp??? Guess what bitch those happen pretty frequently and Rick actually shows up.

Want to play???????

I think rc has spent most of his time on the range, and not shooting game..I also think he's an astute fellow and wont have much problem putting it all together.

I see it all the time, it just has to click that its not a steel plate anymore.

Rick,

Sounds like a great hunt, congratulations. Those Audads are interesting animals to hunt, and a lot harder to get than I had thought. Got mine about ten years ago with a 7 mag at 350 yards,

The meat was tougher than a truck tire with no flavor.....


Lefty C

Match shooting and BG shooting are two different disciplines.Blow a 2 minute wind call in a match and you can correct and the only thing hurt is your score. Blow it on an animal,and you have a rodeo.BG shooting calls for more discretion.

Why is the long range forum turning into the optics section? I get it that we might all have some differences but damn all the chest thumping is getting in the way of actual progress. It seem so many times we base everything we know about someone by what it posted in a forum or forums when that is only the tip of the iceberg of who they are and what they do.

We all have our allegiances to brands, concepts, ideas and morals and there is nothing wrong with stating as such. It gets old when it just turns into a pissing contest of who can be creative enough to get around the spell checker for profanity.

John,

The issue with CBM was a lack of candor, and contrition once the truth was revealed.

Mistakes will happen, that is the hallmark of be being human. How mistakes are handled is a reflection of integrity.

How many different shades of red did your forehead go through whilst typing that hissy fit?

CR

Wow, where should I start...?

First of all, I had a great time on the hunt and thought you did as well. There's things that I could go into about you as well, but I just chalked it up to hunting with someone you've never met and left it at that. My priorities aren't to post it here.

I guess you didn't hear Clint tell the story about his client and the ewe. He told it to us at camp the night you were packing up I believe. Give him a call and ask him. After you pull your foot out of your mouth, I'll expect an apology for calling me a liar.







True as it gets, unfortunately.

I'm amazed at the making of a mountain out of a mole hill about the 500 yard shot. It's not the first time I've had to send another. I must be one of the few who's ever had to

All true rc. As a wise man once said, if you ain't missed, you ain't tryin' hard enough. Although, looking back at some of your quotes ehg posted, after talking about your wind reading skills in that vein you should be prepared for a little blow-back on a shot that doesn't turn out as planned.

It'd be nice if it was delivered in a more good-natured and less personal way. To bring up a comparison to that jughead cbm is just wrong, IMHO. Nowhere near the same league.

Ahh , The 'Fire Where a question about one thing is turned into a character story of a hunt long past , only to turn in to a personal attack on one another and bitter feelings felt by some........

Well it started out about like that time I killed that big bull at 1102yds. Shot him 2 times.



Then went to that shade when I killed that caribou at 600yds. I had to shoot him 2 times.



The next shade most closely matched that time I killed another bull at 800yds. Just one shot.



Shifted to something like when I killed that grizzly bear at 620yds. Yup you guessed it, 2 shots.



And just because of your screen name.

It ended up about like when I killed that moose with my trusty 5 shooter. 2 shots again.



Right now it is back to pretty bright because I know how this gets to some here.

And you feel the reason to brag for what reason?

If you have read the entire thread then the reason for the post should be clear. If not then keep wondering.

I agree 100% and there are some here that need to learn some discretion about when not to shoot.

I'd be curious to hear how many JB never recovered.

I'm curious to hear about big game taken with the 123 Scenar at 260 velocities.

I'm curious if a 1:9 260 will spin a 139.

John Burns...

I remember when you showed up and the other guy didn't..

Cinch and I saw you have to shoot this 3 times

Window-licker!! Shoulda got an 8-twist

I wouldn't trust it in the bitter cold, or high elevation...9" will spin a 130 very nice.

Hey Pat, serious question. I always thought the same bullet/twist was more stable the higher the altitude? Do I have that backwards?

My bad....should be low elevation.

Thanks. Loading some more 260s this evening for the IBV, don't want to run out.....

Are you even qualified to wipe his azz ? Let alone critique jack squat.

That's freaking hilarious....

Right on. I'll have a couple new projects to shoot, and test.

The 139 is a good bit shorter than the 140 berger, which helps.

Dang, I can't even keep up with your old projects!

108 Scenar left, 123 Scenar right. My guess would be that 139's are fat guys in a little coat.

1790 yards is a pretty far distance....good shooting!

Wtf?!?! How the hell did I get dragged into this?!?!

Well when I get my gun in ill let y'all know how it does. After all this reading I think I want to try and get the 123 or 130s to shoot in mine.
Anybody have a few 123 scents or 130 bergers I can buy a few of, rather not buy a full box for load development.

Btw that's nice shooting. I hope to do that someday.

PM me.....I've got a few extras laying around. I'll even toss in a few 130gr JLK's.

Pat, where can if buy JLK bullets?

I found the JLK's, what about the 105 JLK in the 6 Creed?

John Hoover in western Pa. has some at times also. http://accuracyone.com/

the 130 VLD out of a .260 works on animals in the 230 to 300 yard range...

wyo, PM me if you can't find any. I have a few I can spare for ya.

Why only the 230-300yrd range?

They magically vaporize at 301. I thought everyone knew that......

Great thing about a pic... It's worth 1000 words even if it is a bunch of bullshit... Like most everything else you hang... What a clown...

Burnsie,

I'll try to dig out some pics for you ok buddy?
Some are going to be prior to digital camera though, and not a lot of hero shots....I'm not nearly as handsome as you are.....
I'll try to get them up before I split for the fishing trip this weekend...
I'm sorry I didn't get back to this until now, been kinda long couple of days at work.

I don't know EHG, that might be pretty Bold statement there....

Nothing BS about it.... That happened at the first Icebreaker shoot. John knows his platform and the man can shoot.

Ahhhhh.... The classic, senequential, chest pounding let's settle this with a shooting match challenge...how predictable.... Slow weekend in the snake oil selling business Johnny boy??? Now that you've sobered up a bit....

First of all.... I could give a [bleep] less what you think or what's included in your baseless, drunken rant assumptions. I'm quite comfortable in my capabilities and I don't have to continually prop myself up on the internet podium, throw schit around on the internet, nor have my ego stoked and nuts coddled to prove otherwise.We all know Ricks capabilities in matches. We've all heard about them here over and over again, much like I heard it repeated for 4 days......

But that really wasn't the question, was it? Rick made the claim in my thread of a 500yd shot on his Aoudad, correct? Didja miss the part where Twiddle Dee conveniently failed to mention the botched horn shot? Didja see there was no admission in my thread of having to shoot the ram again at 350? Granted Dee came out after it was brought to light, but isn't that a lie by omission of details? Is that misleading Burns? Didn't CBM take the beating he deserved for some of the same? That's why I said "animal recovery aside". But ya did great coming to his rescue when the trumpets sounded there Twiddle Dumb. Like they say.... " love is blind".....

And while we are on the subject of " misleading" or the intent to deceive ....how bout you ask your boy Rick about the $1000 he offered the guide to go find him a bigger ram than the second...... Here... Went a little something like this..." Here's $1,000 just for you. Go find me a ram bigger than the two dinks I've just shot. I'll sit here in camp and when you find him, call me on the radio and I'll come kill him. This money is yours, the outfitter doesn't need to know about it."

The notion that I NEEDED Twiddle Dee to pick me up and haul my ram and I out is hilarious at best....you honestly couldn't come up with a better trump card than that Twiddle Dumb? How the [bleep] do you think I got up there to where the sheep where? But being the prissy, arrogant, pampered, internet commando, super sniper ninja you are I can see where things can get cloudy for you.

I've got your number Burns.... If there is anything else I need to clear up for you, let me know.

Your new friend....

JOSH


P.S...... Now that I've had the time to read the rest of the thread...tell me about the match or whatever that someone didn't show for. I don't care about the he said she said hogwash.... Just the details on the group, gun, caliber, etc? Does it shoot at warp speed?

Dayummmmm!!!!! Facts suck sometimes.

A complete lie...

I've been warned about wrestling with pigs before, but I've had enough restraint...


What a sackless, lying POS you are dude! Obviously the reason you invited yourself on this hunt was to get snippets said in jest that you could come back, twist up lies, and post on the fire to smear.




Since you asked, you unappreciative, sackless, two-faced mole, I'll tell everyone EXACTLY how you got to the ram you shot.

I had the sheep spotted from two miles and was working over to them. After glassing them back up after a mile hike, lasering them at over another mile, I watched them moving around and most were getting out of the area. Except for the one ram who was bedded. I realized that if he was to be shot I had a long way to get to him and not enough time. I radioed dickhead and asked his location. He showed himself on top and I did everything but take him by the hand and walk him to the ram. I kept the ram in the glass for about 30 min to an hour and guided him into the ram by radio. He would radio back multiple times that he couldn't find him. I went as far as to describe the Yucca the ram was bedded under. After Phfucckface spooked him, the ram bugged out enough to be seen and he shot him.

You would never have known he was even there. Not surprising for a guy who shows up without binoculars to a big game hunt...

There was never even a "thanks" offered to me.




You were nothing but smiles on the hunt and after seeing you come out with this crap from the safety of your house instead of to my face, it should be obvious to everyone that you're a sackless kKhunt.





What a complete dick.

Amazing that the only way a guy who's never accomplished anything in his life can try to get attention for 15 minutes of fame is to mount an attack of lies on those who have in hopes they respond. I won't anymore.

A "fact" fabricating guy like you must be proud.