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Looking a this caliber for a long time. What's everyones opinions? Going to use it for long range hunting and maybe few competitions. Is there anything better in the 6.5s Also is there any barrel makers that are considered "better" for this round. Also what bullet would you for comps and hunting doesn't have to be the same bullet as I probably won't hunt with a competition bullet. Been using Shilen and Lilja with great results but just looking for opinions. HAPPY HUNTING.
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How far is "long range" for you? Out a quarter mile or so, the difference in trajectory between the 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5-284 would likely be minimal, as the difference in muzzle velocity is around 150+/- fps, assuming all variables are equal.
In a short action .264" bore, I'd prefer the 6.5 Creedmoor and in a long action I'd prefer the 256 Newton or the 6.5-06.
I have four 6.5-284, but haven't shot any of them for awhile. I also have four 6.5 Creeds and have only shot one very much, probably 300 rounds, but it is an excellent shooter.
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If I was going to build a 6.5 today, it would be the new 26 Nosler. High BC bullets are good, but high BC bullets pushed fast and hard are even better.
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Of course, many people shoot a rifle with less recoil more accurately than they do with a cartridge that burns all that powder. As much as I like velocity, in this era of laser rangefinders and repeatable elevation and windage turrets, the additional velocity and associated flatter trajectory might be less of a factor than it was before technology advanced to its current affordable state.
Or so it seems to me.
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I've got a .260 and have been thinking about rebarrelling to 6.5x284 since its a short action. If I was starting from scratch, I'd seriously consider a 6.5-06.
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I have a 6.5x55, .256 Newton and a 6.5-06AI, like them all.
The AI is easy to load for and fun to shoot and is giving me plenty out to 800 yards, which is as far as I have been able to take it.
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Just an observation, but the 284's 55mm case length makes for a tight fit with the long, high BC, bullets that everybody wants to use when shooting at long ranges. Heck, even the 260's 51mm case length is a tight fit in a short action with those longer bullets, otherwise there wouldn't be a niche for the shorter 6.5 Creedmoor.
I have a Savage 11 with a heavy Shilen barrel in 260 that is a 600 range bell ringer. When the throat gets worn, I'm much more likely to set it back far enough to get a fresh throat and cut a 6.5 Creedmoor chamber than I am to set it back less and rechamber to 6.5-284. This is a magazine fed rifle, but I threat it as a single shot, as the throat is too long for the magazine length.
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If I was going to build a 6.5-284 I would use a Defiance Machine XM action and bottom metal for the extra mag length!
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If I was going to build a 6.5 today, it would be the new 26 Nosler. High BC bullets are good, but high BC bullets pushed fast and hard are even better. My 6.5-284 Pre-64/Krieger has been my go to WT, Pronghorn and hog gun for several years. It shoots 140 Hunting VLD's at near 3K with RL-17. Last 400 yd. group with the Z5 3.5-18x44 BT was under 2", (three shots at 1.7"). I haven't hunted with that gun since building a 26 Nos on a fire damaged 7RM, 700 BDL. It has a 26" Shilen Match barrel, Z3 4-12x50 BT scope and really likes 120 E-Tips at 3,450 fps. (near half MOA at 400). I've got 127 gr. LRX's to try and they'll go near 3,600 fps., best accruacy at 3,575 fps. My hunting bud shoots 140 NPT's at 3,300 in his 26, built at the same time, barreled by the same smith on an early '60's 7RM 700 BDL that was shot out. Same barrel, 3-9x40 Conquest scope. I really like the 26 Nos. It makes the 6.5-284 seem sorta boring... DF
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Nosler Patriot. Pacnor Super Match Barrels, superb triggers. Accuracy...well, take a look. 140gr accubonds over a stout charge of H4831SC.
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Of course, many people shoot a rifle with less recoil more accurately than they do with a cartridge that burns all that powder. As much as I like velocity, in this era of laser rangefinders and repeatable elevation and windage turrets, the additional velocity and associated flatter trajectory might be less of a factor than it was before technology advanced to its current affordable state. The 26 does burn a lot of powder and makes a bunch of noise. But, it doesn't kick that much, although a bit more than the 6.5-284. With my 6.5-284, weighing around 10#'s all up, I can watch bullet strikes at 400 yds, the Swaro Z5 at 18X. The recoil is that mild. With the 9+# 26, recoil is just enough to disrupt target/scope alignment. I agree with your comment on rangefinders, turrets, reticles, etc., negating some of the need for hyper velocity, except for one factor: wind. The faster rounds need less wind correction at LR and wind is one of the hardest variable to compensate for. My 6.5-284 shoots sub half MOA, my 26, nearly half MOA. The 6.5-284 will shoot under 2" at 400, the 26 will shoot around 2 1/2" at 400. Not much difference, but a difference nonetheless. I built this 6.5-284 on a LA, don't want one on a SA. I like room to load long bullets out where I want, not where a box mag dictates. Here's my M-70 6.5-284:
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I used the 6.5X.284 for 1000yard BR shooting. It is accurate, mild recoiling,and used the barrel up in 1200-1300 rounds. Used H4350 & H4831 with 140 gr bullets. Also had a NULA in the same caliber. Nice hunting round and took several mule and whitetail deer. Eventually burned the throat out shooting prairie dogs. At the end of the day it really is just a re invented .270...ballistics are very close. I have thought about getting a .270 with a 8.5 twist and shooting some of the new LR bullets. A lot simpler and I bet it would be pretty darn good. Lefty C
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Lefty, You may get "outed" here on the Fire, if you show up sporting a .270... Now, in your heart of hearts, you know the 6.5-284 is a heap "cooler" round than the .270... DF
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