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A stock similar to that one would be perfect. Actually, it is almost too nice, but it would work. I would have paid $150 in a heartbeat.

It has occurred to me to buy some cheap part from the guy just for the opportunity to let him have both barrels on feedback. But you only get so many characters on feedback, and again, I don't know the whole story.

I have a FWT stock sitting around and a nice one at that, I was considering offering up for a more than fair price. Think I'll just keep it for now.

In case you weren't aware of Wisners Inc.... They make outstanding repro parts for a few firearms. Model 70's just happen to be one of their specialty. Granted not the cheapest, but dam fine quality.

http://www.wisnersinc.com/web_layout/rifles/winchester/70pre.html

hey BSA,
I would't mess with a pristine rifle, but luckily I don't own any of those ;-)

Example, I bought this '41 308 heavy palma barrel match rifle and doesn't have any collector value, but a re-barrel & restock (if I ever find a cloverleaf hunting stock) and it will chasing deer long after I am gone.

Tim

battue,

If you read my posts, I believe I have said or implied in just about every one of them, including the last one, that I can't truly judge this guy without knowing the whole story. Haven't I said that more than once? Did I not qualify my statement above with "and again, I don't know the whole story."?

I'm not looking for a FWT stock, so I am not trying to change your mind. I am simply saying that, more than once, I have said that as much as I hate to see this guy doing what he is doing, perhaps if I knew the whole story I would feel differently.

At times, maybe too often, something "revenge like" occurs to me. By "both barrels" I meant tell him what I thought about his actions, in public, not leave dishonest feedback. But then I often realize I don't know enough to go forward. You don't know me, nor I you, so perhaps you don't think my qualifying statements are sincere. They are, but I guess you either believe me or you don't.

Best,
Gun Doc

I know.

I wonder how much extra profit this guys is making by parting a rifle out. I agree with you, Gun Doc, it's a real shame.

Eric

Man, I feel your pain. We at Ithaca lovers of Shotgunworld have been coping with this for quite a while now. Those precious old 37s being shamelessly parted out for profit. It's enough to make grown man

I have no problem with someone parting out a pre-64.
If you look at the big picture you have to consider that tearing down one plain vanilla 1960 30-06 may keep a dozen others running with original parts.
My 270 has a replacement barrel and replacement stock both from parted out rifles.
Three messed up rifles combined to make one very nice one.
Carry on.

POPGUN,

It is undoubtedly true that the majority of the parts, hopefully all of them, get other rifles up and running. That is the silver lining, and I have recognized it.

As far as the "plain vanilla 1960 30-06", one hopes those are the ones being parted out. The rifle that got me so riled up was a '52 .30-06 with the stock cut for a pad, something collectors hate to see. But it seems it was a nice enough rifle otherwise. The claim is the barrel is "excellent inside and out." The stock is a bit dinged, but certainly serviceable. All the parts point to a nice rifle someone would be proud to own and use. He has feedback for parts from a '46, so I'm not sure if anything is "safe." I suspect it is mostly a money deal, and some rifles are too expensive to part out. But I admit I don't know how this guy or any others decide what rifles to part out.

To be fair, other than the messed up rifle you started with, do you know if the parts you needed to complete your .270 came from other messed up rifles or perfectly fine ones that someone parted out? I guess it doesn't matter.

In the end, I suppose we are back to your main point. Perhaps the "important" thing, for lack of a better word, is the net number of functioning Pre '64s out there in the world. That is a number no one knows, but hopefully every parted out rifle, regardless of vintage or condition, results in a net increase.

At least it isn't something like the government cutting them up with a chop saw. That would be a true tragedy with no redeeming aspect.

Gun Doc

Mr Stealthgoat, how does she shoot as is? what length on barrel? Im interested if you decide to part with it, I may have a stock for it and would cut barrel back to 24", did you get bottom metal with the rig? very best winpoor

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Hey WinPoor, Good morning to you sir.
It was your picture of 'Carlos' and that big 8 point in the "Who shot a deer with a Model 70 this year" thread that made me start thinking I want to hunt whitetails with a pre-64 'snipery' this fall. A nice low comb cloverleaf hunting stock (wood or Mickey) is the hardest thing for me to find.
I do hope to have a whitetail picture with it in the fall!
Regards,
Tim

Mr Stealth, IF I had to go to one(1) gun that will be it, the very last to go! It is a one holer with a 36X and match ammo BUT the low comb steel buttplate will beat hell out of you on bench!You never notice a thing on the whitetails !!! very best WinPoor
Im building a 257 BOB target, varminter, Carlos JR as my old man deer hammer right now... v best

That's just plain awesome. Good luck with your hunting this year!!!!

It's just a rifle. We have a greedy bastard around these parts set on dividing farms into 5 acre tracts. I'm not sure what my kids will have to eat in the future if this trend continues.

Maybe when he passes, they'll cut him up into little bitty parts and bury him all across the countryside.

It is just a rifle, albeit a classic, even if it is a plain Jane classic. Another thing dividing up farms is multiple children inheriting them who have no interest keeping the farm intact. Eventually, the 5 acre tracts may get divided yet again.

At least the cannibalized rifle parts are not being buried, but hopefully being put to good use. At least there is that.

GunDoc7, Does the seller you refer to have a fruit in his seller name? (An apple maybe?)
John

John,

This particular seller has "hitch" in his seller name. Actually, I wonder why we have to dance around the names? All I have ever said, albeit sometimes colorfully and with passion, is:
- He parts out rifles.
- He seems to part them out to make the most money as opposed to keeping bolts intact and numbered bolts with receivers, etc.
- I hate to see it happen to solid, useable rifles.
- There is a silver lining to the whole deal as hopefully the parts result in a net increase of functioning Pre '64 M70's in the world.
- I would like to know more about his situation before I condemn him entirely (not that he or anyone else cares what I think.)

None of those statements are false. As far as I can determine, he describes the parts honestly, delivers on time, and deals fairly.

GunDoc,

I thought sure it was probably the same guy that wants $200 for a mag box. It appears to be from the same 220 Swift that looks like it is as thoroughly parted out as what you described.
I guess in the long run it's kind of like if I came into possession of a valuble Wurlitzer organ or piano and could quadruple my investment by parting it as opposed to selling it outright. Different strokes and different passions for different folks. I tend to look at the potential upside sort of like you do, maybe for each one parted out, a couple more stay running or get revived.
John