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Just in case somebody hasn't seen it.
Here's the NRA email:

Dwayne,

You and I knew this was coming. Obama vowed he would enact his gun control agenda with or without Congress.

He just made his BIG move and I need your immediate help to stop him!
Just days ago, Obama's gun-hating bureaucrats at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) announced an imminent BAN on common rifle ammunition used by millions of gun owners LIKE YOU.

No action by Congress. No vote.

Obama is moving RIGHT NOW to implement a dictatorial BAN on commonly sold rifle ammunition used for target shooting, hunting, and self-defense.

This is an all-out slap in the face to you, me, our gun rights, and our constitutional Rule of Law.
AS YOU READ THIS,
NRA-ILA is fighting to beat back and DEFEAT this attack.
We're driving gun owner comments to the BATFE website. We're firing up our grassroots network to sound off against Obama's ammo ban. We're meeting with congressional leaders every day and exposing this threat as widely as we can online and in the media.

But we need your immediate help if we're going to STOP Obama from BANNING OUR AMMUNITION.

If there's ANY WAY you can afford to make an urgent contribution to NRA-ILA this minute, please MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION RIGHT NOW.

ANY AMOUNT - $10, $20, $30, or more - NRA-ILA needs your help NOW.
This battle is going to be waged on multiple fronts. It's a legal battle. It's a congressional battle. It's a battle to move public opinion.

It's an expensive battle that means EVERYTHING for your Second Amendment freedom and we can't win it without YOU and YOUR help TODAY.
We knew a fight like this was coming. Now help NRA-ILA win it!!!

Whatever amount you can afford to give right now - TODAY - I assure you that every dollar is urgently needed at this VERY critical time. Thank you.

Chris

Chris W. Cox
Executive Director

GOA email:

ATF Seeks to Suppress AR-15’s by Banning Common AR-15 Ammo

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Dwayne, 

ACTION: Urge your Senators to “defund” the ban on AR-15 ammunition, and urge them to put a “hold” on the nomination of Attorney General Nominee Loretta Lynch until the ATF backs down from its unlawful gun ban.

Obama/Holder Exact Revenge on Gun Owners

In the winter of 2012-13, Barack Obama went to war against the AR-15.  Every liberal establishment ally in the country was mobilized to ban the rifle and destroy what they dismissively called “the gun manufacturers' lobby.”

In the end, fewer than 40 senators (in a Democrat-controlled Senate) voted to ban semi-automatics. 

So what do you do when even a Democrat-controlled Senate will not support your lunatic agenda?  What do you do when your agenda runs contrary to the law and the Constitution?

You just ignore your opposition and go on the offensive, which is exactly what the Obama Administration did within the past week.

ATF Violates the Law in Proposing New Ammo Ban

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is proposing to illegally suppress the AR-15 by banning M855 ammunition for that rifle as “armor piercing ammunition” under a 1986 statute banning certain types of ammunition -- a statute which amended the Gun Control Act of 1968.

GOA’s Legislative Counsel fought this law as a staffer in the U.S. Senate, arguing that it was a “camel's nose under the tent.”  Sadly, a “compromise” which was struck by some short-sighted pro-gunners in 1986, and the bill was allowed to pass.  

Thus, the ammo ban applies to:

(1) Ammunition constructed entirely of “tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium, copper, or depleted uranium” or, 

(2) Certain “full jacketed projectile[s] larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun...”  [18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B)] 

Obviously, SS109 and M855 ammunition -- with a traditional lead core and a steel tip -- is neither.  Rather, this is an illegal attempt to ban or limit AR-15's by banning types of AR-15 ammunition. 

Moreover, any particular ammunition can be, and has been, exempted if it has a sporting purpose. Well, according to surveys, the AR-15 is used for target shooting or hunting over 50% of the time -- thereby, making its ammunition easily fit within the “sporting purpose” test, no matter what the composition of the ammunition.

Hunters Beware!

The AR-15 is one of the most popular guns in America.  But even if you don’t own one -- hence, you may be thinking you don’t have a “dog in this fight” -- realize that this ban DOES AFFECT YOU.  

If the ATF can get away with illegally banning a popular ammo round (because it can penetrate body armor), how long do you think it will be before it’s banning other popular hunting rounds -- which, by the way, can also penetrate body armor!

The ATF is accepting comments on this proposal until March 16.  

GOA is working on submitting its own comments, and we certainly don’t discourage others from submitting theirs as well.

Most importantly, however, GOA will be working with Senators to “defund” or overturn this ammunition ban.

ACTION: Urge your Senators to support the following measures:

(1) Ask that the nomination of Attorney General Nominee Loretta Lynch (dubbed “Eric Holder in a skirt”) be put on hold until the ATF backs down from its unlawful gun ban; and, 

(2) Urge Senators to support an amendment to the DHS appropriations bill which would forbid the ATF from going forward with its lawless proposal.



 
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Considering the war chest that the NRA has, and how little they've done with it, the call for more donations over this one is just disgusting.

Yes, Hussein needs to be stopped, but they could have done a HELLUVA lot more to advance that by actually opposing people like Harry Reid rather than supporting him or staying on the sidelines. They could have done a HELLUVA lot more in actually pursuing law suits rather than scuttling them (NYC, alone, for example).

Congress has nothing to do with this and even if they pass something, Hussein can and will veto it. It's a regulatory and legal battle alone, and on those fronts the NRA has been woefully ineffective (except at raising money).

Ditto that, in spades, with GOA.

NSSF email:

Contact ATF:
Oppose 5.56 M855 Ball Ammunition Ban  
 
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has announced it is seeking to ban commonplace 5.56 M855 ball ammunition as "armor piercing ammunition." ATF is seeking public comment on the proposal, so all industry employees, target shooters and gun owners should contact ATF to oppose this unnecessary ban, which is truly a solution in search of a problem and that raises serious questions about executive agency attitude and overreach. Stopped cold on Capitol Hill, this action appears to be the Obama administration's attempt to pursue gun control by other means.
 
Commonly available steel-core, "green tip" M855 and SS109 rifle ammunition that is primarily intended and regularly used for "sporting purposes," like target shooting, has been exempt from federal law banning armor piercing ammunition for decades. There is no question that the 5.56 ball ammo has been in wide use by law abiding American citizens for sporting purposes.
 
It is with the increasing prevalence of handgun versions of rifle platforms, that ATF now apparently sees an opening to now ban the widely used M855 and SS109 ammunition.
 
It would be legally permissible to continue to possess and use so-defined "armor piercing" ammunition currently possessed. However, rescinding the decades-old exemption will have a major impact. It will become illegal to manufacture, import, distribute or sell at retail this very popular rifle target ammunition.
 
ATF's proposed "framework" for applying the "sporting purpose" exemption test rewrites the law passed by Congress to disregard the manufacturer's intention that a projectile or cartridge is "primarily intended for a supporting purpose." ATF inappropriately places the focus on how criminals might misuse sporting ammunition in a handgun.
 
Just as disturbing, language used by ATF in its long white paper refers to criminals as a "consumer group." The implication that the industry purposely sells firearms and ammunition to criminals is misleading and echoes the shopworn charges of the gun control lobby.  
 
Manufacturers will face serious limitations in their ability to develop and market alternative ammunition in other popular hunting rounds, such as .308 rifle hunting ammunition, if ATF's so-called "framework" is adopted. This will have a detrimental effect on hunting nationwide, especially in California where a total ban on traditional ammunition for hunting is being phased in now.  
 
ATF is soliciting comments on how it can best implement withdrawal of this exemption while "minimizing disruption to the ammunition and firearm industry and maximizing officer safety". Under the proposed framework, 30-06 M2AP cartridges would continue to be exempt because there are no multi-shot handguns generally available that accept such ammunition.
 
The proposal is useless since standard lead-only 5.56 ammunition is "armor piercing" simply due to the round's velocity. Rifles in this caliber, or any caliber for that matter, are rarely used in crimes.  
 
ATF will accept comments on this proposal until March 16, 2015. Email or write ATF today and tell them you oppose this unnecessary, misguided and damaging ban on commonly used ammunition for America's most popular sporting rifles.  
 
Email: APACommentsatf.gov 
 
Fax: (202) 648-9741.
 
Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

Here's a newer GOA version:

White House Spits in our Face over AR-15 Ban

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Dwayne, 

ACTION: Contact your Senators.  Demand that they oppose the Lynch nomination, and do everything in their power to get the ammunition ban reversed. 

Senators can use the Lynch nomination to hold Obama accountable

A smirking White House spokesman Josh Earnest couldn’t conceal his glee, yesterday, as he reveled in the trick Obama had played on the Second Amendment movement.

Think back to April 17, 2013, when the Senate killed the Feinstein amendment to ban the AR-15 by a vote of 60-40.  This fell 20 votes short of the needed 60, even though Democrats controlled the Senate at the time. But now Obama is trying to effectively ban the AR-15 by “regulatory fiat” by banning the most common ammunition used in that firearm, M855 ammunition.

But a gushing Earnest was unrepentant:  “The President has long believed that there are some commonsense steps that we can take ... taking some commonsense steps to prevent people who shouldn't have guns from getting guns.”

There are a couple of things which are interesting about this statement:

(1) Certainly the first is the Orwellian use of “Bloomberg-speak” -- using the gun control nuts’ “commonsense steps” jargon TWICE IN THE SAME SENTENCE.  To try to come up with an analogy would be almost impossible, but it’s as though a Gestapo soldier was so stuck in a discredited pattern of behavior that he gave a Hitler salute at his war crimes tribunal.

(2) The second is a Freudian slip, but it says volumes:  Earnest talks about keeping GUNS out of the hands of "inappropriate" persons.

But hold on a second:  This was supposedly a ban on AMMUNITION, not a ban on guns.  But, as Earnest made clear -- however haplessly -- this is an effort to BAN GUNS by banning ammunition used in guns.

So what is to be done?

Over and over again -- on immigration, on ObamaCare, on guns, on the Internet -- Obama ignores any legal or constitutional restraints on his actions.  And then he dares congressional Republicans to do anything about it -- and mocks and laughs at them in the process.

But Senate Republicans do have leverage. And they are in a position to deprive Obama of something he very much wants -- that is, holding a vote on the nomination of Loretta Lynch to be Attorney General.

Lynch is a leftist, anti-gunner and she deceived Senators on the Judiciary Committee with respect to gun control, making it as clear as a bell that she intended to continue and expand Eric Holder's unlawful executive actions and gun bans. 

Imagine a nominee for Attorney General claiming that she was "not familiar" with the gun legislation that was hotly debated in the public square for months after the Sandy Hook shooting. While taking questions from Senators in the Judiciary Committee, Lynch refused to give her opinion on universal background checks which, similar to the Toomey-Manchin language, would have effectively imposed a universal gun registry on millions of Americans.

Furthermore, it also seems clear that Lynch is being groomed to replace Supreme Court Justices Anthony Kennedy or Antonin Scalia -- which would turn the court into an anti-gun juggernaut.

Republican Leader Mitch McConnell can put the Lynch nomination on hold by simply refusing to bring her up.  And while Senate Republicans should ultimately oppose her nomination, they should urge McConnell (at a minimum) to let her nomination languish without a vote.

So why don't they?  Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and a liberal anti-gun press are laughing at the GOP.  And it's time the GOP showed a little backbone.

ACTION: 

(1) Contact your Senators. Demand that they oppose the Lynch nomination, and do everything in their power to get the ammunition ban reversed. 

(2) Contact the NRA if you are an NRA member. Urge them to come out in strong opposition to the Loretta Lynch nomination. You can contact the NRA via their webform or call them at:  1-800-672-3888 or 1-800-392-8683.

I had a USCCA email too but must have deleted it. Just spreading the word a bit as I see one of our liberal trolls is dragging his bloomberg propaganda down here.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=37785

Statement on Signing the Bill To Regulate Armor-Piercing Ammunition
August 28, 1986

It is a pleasure to be able to sign into law H.R. 3132 to ban the production or importation of the so-called cop-killer bullets, which pose an unreasonable threat to law enforcement officers who use soft body armor. This bill, similar to legislation jointly submitted to the Congress by the Departments of Justice and the Treasury in 1984, recognizes that certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited. Such action is long overdue.

During the 61/2 years that I have served as President, I have sought to strengthen law enforcement in this nation and to do everything possible to protect the lives and safety of the dedicated men and women who constitute our first line of defense against the forces of lawlessness. I am pleased, therefore, to sign H.R. 3132 to ban armor-piercing ammunition as this legislation has long had the strong endorsement of our outstanding law enforcement organizations, including the International Association of Chiefs of Police, National Sheriffs Association, Fraternal Order of Police, International Brotherhood of Police Officers, Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, National Association of Police Organizations, National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, National Black Police Association, National Troopers Coalition, International Union of Police Associations, Police Executive Research Forum, Police Foundation, Police Management Associations, and the Major City Chiefs.

In signing this bill, I want to urge those States and localities that have not acquired body armor for their law enforcement officers to obtain such lifesaving equipment for their officers. The use of soft body armor is credited with saving the lives of more than 600 officers since it was first introduced in the 1970's. An even more important message is the one I have for law enforcement officers: If you have access to soft body armor, please use it. Your lives and safety are too important to risk needlessly. The fabric used in modern soft body armor is truly a miracle fiber, but it is useless if left in the dressing room locker or the trunk of a squad car.

In signing H.R. 3132, I am giving our law enforcement officers my pledge to do everything possible to eliminate the hazard posed by armor-piercing ammunition. Those officers who in the past may have used the threat of armor-piercing bullets as a justification for failing to wear soft body armor should no longer have that excuse. We are doing our best at the Federal level to enhance the safety of police officers but must have the cooperation of the officers themselves to secure the full benefits of this important legislative action.

Note: H.R. $132, approved August 28, was assigned Public Law No. 99-408.
Citation: Ronald Reagan: "Statement on Signing the Bill To Regulate Armor-Piercing Ammunition ," August 28, 1986. Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=37785.

sherp, you ignorant ass.

Don't you have any suggestions for actually helping?

Or is it your only goal in life to be an insufferable douche?

You nailed it precisely with your last sentence.

Because MOST are worried that some 'sane individual' is going to pot their azz!!

Not seeing the issue here. If it was such a bad thing, Reagan wouldn't have enabled it in 1986 with the AP ammo ban and the NRA wouldn't have supported it by supporting GCA68 and the sporting purposes clause. You don't need M855 for hunting and police will still have access to M855 to shoot through anything they would like to.

Aren't their places more friendly to the likes of you? As an aside, the military, who's specification the ammunition is manufactured to, doesn't label it as AP. This same stuff was brought forward under the Clinton regime. Additionally, there is no record of this ammunition ever being used against police from a handgun. You want to ban sex because a rape might happen?

As long as police get an exemption similar to how they are exempt from the federal laws saying felons other than police can't be armed. Wouldn't see any problem with that. And as we have seen in recent months, rape is a very powerful tool that police have at their disposal.