Right about where the 1st T is on 'The Far West', there should be a small blue spot for Left Coast Annex - Sun Valley, ID, home of the CA liberals. It most certainly isn't part of The Far West.
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Well geographically I'm from the far west, but I lived for a little over a decade in what the map calls the Deep South, and I tend to identify with Southerners better than westerners. Yankeeedom people are weird, and left coast is just freaking nuts.
Well I think on my own, I'm neither conservative nor liberal. What's funny is, all the liberals I know call me a knuckle dragging conservative. As long as I have people like you calling me a liberal, and liberals calling me a conservative, I'll know that I'm in good shape. 'Cause you people all let others do the thinking for you. I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
Well I think on my own, I'm neither conservative nor liberal. What's funny is, all the liberals I know call me a knuckle dragging conservative. As long as I have people like you calling me a liberal, and liberals calling me a conservative, I'll know that I'm in good shape. 'Cause you people all let others do the thinking for you. I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
Your clairvoyance and authority is well noted here at The Campfire.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
Well I am still trying to figure out what it's purpose was ,with the mobility of population for the past 50 years or so it no longer applies. Some one said mongrel and I believe that is approaching how populations are to day. YMMV Cheers NC
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Your culture stems from where you were raised, primarily up through mid-teens. it instills your commonly held speech patterns, and celebrations and observances.
Some, especially military brats are raised in a different location every 2-4 years and often don't form those 'cultural identities.
Often, people will adopt and/or substitute the cultural norms of their current location.
As has been mentioned, there is more and more blending across this great land of ours.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
As has been mentioned, there is more and more blending across this great land of ours.
Unfortunately with that blending the country hasn't fared so well. Only takes one bad ingredient in a recipe to ruin it, aka the turd in the punch bowl.
Well I think on my own, I'm neither conservative nor liberal. What's funny is, all the liberals I know call me a knuckle dragging conservative. As long as I have people like you calling me a liberal, and liberals calling me a conservative, I'll know that I'm in good shape. 'Cause you people all let others do the thinking for you. I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
Sure. Jeff0 was a moderate, too. lol....
Most liberals (like you) refuse to own up to what they are.
The "think for myself" line that you really like to use a lot is common among liberals too, and just as false as most things you believe.
And as far as this statement goes:
I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
we should all take that as a compliment to our steadfast values and opinions.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
Born and raised in the Spanish Caribbean well before it was that, when it was still part of the Deep South. Southern is my native language and heritage, y'all.
Lived in Yankeedom briefly, couldn't get away fast enough.
For the last 25 years have made my home in the Far West (the best place I've ever lived by a long, long, long shot) although for the last few years in a city with creeping inroads from the Left Coast, something which unfortunately plagues most larger cities in this area.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
As has been mentioned, there is more and more blending across this great land of ours.
Unfortunately with that blending the country hasn't fared so well. Only takes one bad ingredient in a recipe to ruin it, aka the turd in the punch bowl.
True.
My point was that regional (cultural) differences, while still present, are becoming muted.
Some of that can be attributed to chain restaurants and box stores.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
Well I think on my own, I'm neither conservative nor liberal. What's funny is, all the liberals I know call me a knuckle dragging conservative. As long as I have people like you calling me a liberal, and liberals calling me a conservative, I'll know that I'm in good shape. 'Cause you people all let others do the thinking for you. I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
Sure. Jeff0 was a moderate, too. lol....
Most liberals (like you) refuse to own up to what they are.
The "think for myself" line that you really like to use a lot is common among liberals too, and just as false as most things you believe.
And as far as this statement goes:
I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
we should all take that as a compliment to our steadfast values and opinions.
As I've long concluded about fence sitters, er ah moderates, the only reason to sit on a fence is if you like getting a fence post up your back side.
Well I think on my own, I'm neither conservative nor liberal. What's funny is, all the liberals I know call me a knuckle dragging conservative. As long as I have people like you calling me a liberal, and liberals calling me a conservative, I'll know that I'm in good shape. 'Cause you people all let others do the thinking for you. I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
Your culture stems from where you were raised, primarily up through mid-teens. it instills your commonly held speech patterns, and celebrations and observances.
Some, especially military brats are raised in a different location every 2-4 years and often don't form those 'cultural identities.
Often, people will adopt and/or substitute the cultural norms of their current location.
As has been mentioned, there is more and more blending across this great land of ours.
I'd guess that my dad was a product of one of the great blenders in our society. Ie.-WWII...
He was born and raised deep south.
I was born a construction gypsy kid, but most of my early memories are deep south...
I'd agree that not all of the blending has benefited our nation. It let the camel of tolerance into our national tent. Tolerance is a popular notion, but played out it leads to system dependence, and supports such calamities as gender equity.
Gender equity demands that any 90 lb school girl with a degree can be the principal of a high school that teaches a mix of kids including 200 lb.+ boys. This leads to zero tolerance school policies, and eventually to those policies being enacted as legislation. What utter bullshit we have come to accept...
I do believe that national elections are important. I think that to fundamentally change America for the better though, we need to start with our school board elections and get rid of the 90 lb school girl principals...
Right about where the 1st T is on 'The Far West', there should be a small blue spot for Left Coast Annex - Sun Valley, ID, home of the CA liberals. It most certainly isn't part of The Far West.
Sadly,,,, every state in the "Far West" has a few of those annex's.
The Appalachian Mountain range extends from Virginia down through that red area. That is why they call it Appalachia.
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
The Appalachian Mountain range extends from Virginia down through that red area. That is why they call it Appalachia.
It starts well north of VA.
No doubt but I was orienting the red swath from east to west because someone was incredulous that Appalachia extended into Texas (far west of Virginia.)
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
Well there's he problem. You think if it's not one side or the other then you're just a fence sitter.
Look, if both sides are for big government, which side do you find yourself on?
I don't sit on any fences, I weigh each issue and make up my own mind. I really can't care any less if liberals or conservatives agree with me or not. In fact, I kinda worry if one of those two sides agree with me; makes me think I missed something.
I don't care about political sides, I care about what's right and what's wrong. I tend to find that on most issues BOTH sides have it wrong and have it that way purely for political expediency.
But I'm not wishy washy about any issue, I have a firm opinion and I can make my case.
It is a conservative vs liberal thing now. It could be your neighbor, or your co-worker. Or your sister, or even your wife that is your political opponent.
There are concentrations of them in all large cities, and those are the only places that matter, because it lets the electorate swing in the direction of them.
Our American neighbours can draw funny maps all they want, just leave us Canadians off of it please. A map like that is not helpful to any reasoned discussion about culture, it just draws lines between people.
As has been mentioned, there is more and more blending across this great land of ours.
Unfortunately with that blending the country hasn't fared so well. Only takes one bad ingredient in a recipe to ruin it, aka the turd in the punch bowl.
True.
My point was that regional (cultural) differences, while still present, are becoming muted.
Some of that can be attributed to chain restaurants and box stores.
My kids were all raised in Texas but sound a lot like the folks on the 6 o'clock news.
Kind of fun to read this and think about it. I have lived in all the listed parts of the country and bin in all fifty states. I was born in Little Falls, NY. Moved to Dayton, OH when I was two and lived there for ten years to the day. Moved to Ballwin, MO when I was twelve and left there when I joined the Navy but I never found a place my heart would call home until I moved West.
Well I think on my own, I'm neither conservative nor liberal. What's funny is, all the liberals I know call me a knuckle dragging conservative. As long as I have people like you calling me a liberal, and liberals calling me a conservative, I'll know that I'm in good shape. 'Cause you people all let others do the thinking for you. I can start any political conversation and tell you what you're going to say about it.
lol I didn't say you were a liberal. I said you act and think like a left coaster or Yankee. If you want a label instead of those I'd use "idiot" to describe you. IIRC you couldn't wait to condemn Zimmerman. You think O's right on "Net Neutrality", etc.
It's funny how many people don't want to use that map...
Laughin'.
Travis
A lot of people are ashamed of where they come from due to the collective behavior of a majority of the people now living there. These are the ones that usually attack or mealy-mouth something like this.
I'll say this to the audience in general, it has nothing to do with you Clark. This is just one dude's way of dividing up the country by cultural norms of given areas. Maybe there's something to it, maybe there's not. IMO it's not completely inaccurate. I'm not going to think about it long enough to determine whether I completely agree with it.
Lithuanian / German ancestry so Eastern European stock. Parents emigrated as DP's to America and landed on the South side of Chicago in a neighborhood made up of similar people. Made a lot of friends with Irish, Italians, Poles and Slovaks besides. I experienced the change of Chicago from old man Daley to the lesser Daley. There are many lessons to be learned there. Now I am making my last stand in suburban Chicago and feeling a lot of kinship with that Indian who observed that the Government should put wheels on them so's to make it easier for them to be moved around. Got knows where my kids and grandkids will wind up. There doesn't seem to be much permanency where I'm at... And that sucks
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As will any such thread. And to use "culture" when stereotypical labels of derision for faux elevation of self are the intent, demonstrates a total lack of culture.Same ol, same ol, hate at the Campfire. It's exactly the conundrum that costs us elections and will cost us all America.
I will admit to being totally naive of such abject foolishness before joining the campfire. Now I see, liberals hate (so-called)conservatives and conservatives hate everyone. Hard to get more defeatist than that.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
As will any such thread. And to use "culture" when stereotypical labels of derision for faux elevation of self are the intent, demonstrates a total lack of culture.Same ol, same ol, hate at the Campfire. It's exactly the conundrum that costs us elections and will cost us all America.
I will admit to being totally naive of such abject foolishness before joining the campfire. Now I see, liberals hate (so-called)conservatives and conservatives hate everyone. Hard to get more defeatist than that.
Looks like you are doing some stereotyping yourself.
lol I didn't say you were a liberal. I said you act and think like a left coaster or Yankee. If you want a label instead of those I'd use "idiot" to describe you. IIRC you couldn't wait to condemn Zimmerman. You think O's right on "Net Neutrality", etc.
The very first report turned out to be wrong on Zimmerman. With that information I thought he was in a lot of trouble. When all the information came out, I never condemned Zimmeran as guilty, I just said he was an idiot. And I think that assessment has been borne out. Apparently you think he's a great guy, that makes you an idiot.
On net neutrality I said I was for it despite Obama's support. I don't give a rats azz about Obama and where he stands on anything, but net neutrality is the right thing, period. You're just too filled with hate to accurately assess the situation. Anyone who is against net neutrality either doesn't understand the issue, doesn't think for themselves, or is just a hate monger. With you, I'd say it's all three. You are a pukking republican drone who has never had an original thought in his life.
lol I didn't say you were a liberal. I said you act and think like a left coaster or Yankee. If you want a label instead of those I'd use "idiot" to describe you. IIRC you couldn't wait to condemn Zimmerman. You think O's right on "Net Neutrality", etc.
The very first report turned out to be wrong on Zimmerman. With that information I thought he was in a lot of trouble. When all the information came out, I never condemned Zimmeran as guilty, I just said he was an idiot. And I think that assessment has been borne out. Apparently you think he's a great guy, that makes you an idiot.
On net neutrality I said I was for it despite Obama's support. I don't give a rats azz about Obama and where he stands on anything, but net neutrality is the right thing, period. You're just too filled with hate to accurately assess the situation. Anyone who is against net neutrality either doesn't understand the issue, doesn't think for themselves, or is just a hate monger. With you, I'd say it's all three. You are a pukking republican drone who has never had an original thought in his life.
C'mon man..... Ethan never said that Zimmerman is a great guy.
Ray Can you be more clear on yO Spectrum as an American.. I got it .. But the Donkeys think in terms of Classes of Americans.. You lost them with yO Boldness.. That's why they have no comment on you Distinction...
EthanEdwards: Interesting map/interpretation of things, you have posted for us. For the past 17 years I have chosen to live in and enjoy the culture of Montana. For some time prior to that I would visit and enjoy Montana several times a year. Thankfully I will live out my years here and I relish that (the Montana country culture). Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
Ray Can you be more clear on yO Spectrum as an American.. I got it .. But the Donkeys think in terms of Classes of Americans.. You lost them with yO Boldness.. That's why they have no comment on you Distinction...
Having spent years driving in 48 states and part of Canada I have found that the person I am looking at is who he is. I have met many good folks everywhere and some real squirrels also. The worst have been the ones who make a big deal of the different regions.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
Dis nou maal verby. Ek's 'n buitelander van Clute, Texas af. Maar ek glo nie dis vrot "map" nie. (Okay, I'm Americo-African and this map is plain crazy.) Deep South and Southwest do NOT describe Texas!!!!
EthanEdwards: Interesting map/interpretation of things, you have posted for us. For the past 17 years I have chosen to live in and enjoy the culture of Montana. For some time prior to that I would visit and enjoy Montana several times a year. Thankfully I will live out my years here and I relish that (the Montana country culture). Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
I'm glad you like where you are. I couldn't put up with that much cold. Living around folks who think like you do counts for a lot though. California would be great if it weren't for the crazes living out there.
Interesting how they distinguish by county and how they split Az with Maricopa county in Mexico and Pinal in the West... that's some funny chit when you consider Mesa vs Apache jt... those that know, know what I mean.
My family is old time arizonian, came west from SC, GA, OK, KS, MO, TX, COL, NM, CA.
The very first report turned out to be wrong on Zimmerman. With that information I thought he was in a lot of trouble. When all the information came out, I never condemned Zimmeran as guilty, I just said he was an idiot. And I think that assessment has been borne out. Apparently you think he's a great guy, that makes you an idiot.
On net neutrality I said I was for it despite Obama's support. I don't give a rats azz about Obama and where he stands on anything, but net neutrality is the right thing, period. You're just too filled with hate to accurately assess the situation. Anyone who is against net neutrality either doesn't understand the issue, doesn't think for themselves, or is just a hate monger. With you, I'd say it's all three. You are a pukking republican drone who has never had an original thought in his life.
That's a long winded way of explaining you're an Obama Ball Licker.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
It's funny that somebody somewhere drew a map and labeled it with what he perceived as culture differences that people have. If I understand, this is where the majority of the people in these areas, ancestors came from.
Who was the person(s) that collected this data? What were their qualifications for doing this kind of research? Did they do a thorough search of where the people came from that lived in these areas? What were the questions they asked? (Surveys can say what you want them to, by the questions asked) What portion of the population did they question? The questions could go on, and on, and on!
This is just someones opinion, best guess, what they read somewhere, etc...
It really doesnt mean a thing!
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Well beings that my father's family came from Hessian Soldiers that camped at Trenton and My mothers family were Irish immigrants that were raised in an orphan home in Philly that then moved to live on an ex slave farm in North Carolina and I now live in Wyoming. I would saw I am an AMERICAN!!!!!
Mennonite with ancestors traced through the Dakotas, Russia, Germany, and the Netherlands. I have a family history book that traces my lineage to the 1400's in Holland. Apparently there is a town there named after our family.
Also found out that my Great Grandfather's brother patented a version of four wheel drive in Canada and the US that was ripped off as the basis for modern front wheel drive. He got nothing for it as they got around his patent.
SS
"To be glad of life because it gives you a chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars. To be satisfied with your possessions but not content with yourself until you have made the best of them." -Henry Van Dyke
no Alaska on the map,guess we don't do the class warfare/put people into groups ......but I do ........ I'd say the folks that showed up in the last 10-15 years are of the "foodstamp sourdough" culture.
lol I didn't say you were a liberal. I said you act and think like a left coaster or Yankee. If you want a label instead of those I'd use "idiot" to describe you. IIRC you couldn't wait to condemn Zimmerman. You think O's right on "Net Neutrality", etc.
The very first report turned out to be wrong on Zimmerman. With that information I thought he was in a lot of trouble. When all the information came out, I never condemned Zimmeran as guilty, I just said he was an idiot. And I think that assessment has been borne out. Apparently you think he's a great guy, that makes you an idiot.
On net neutrality I said I was for it despite Obama's support. I don't give a rats azz about Obama and where he stands on anything, but net neutrality is the right thing, period. You're just too filled with hate to accurately assess the situation. Anyone who is against net neutrality either doesn't understand the issue, doesn't think for themselves, or is just a hate monger. With you, I'd say it's all three. You are a pukking republican drone who has never had an original thought in his life.
lolol You're one of the most Lemming-like clowns that frequents this page. You sided up against Zimmerman. You're siding with Obama. Bottom-line.
no Alaska on the map,guess we don't do the class warfare/put people into groups ......but I do ........ I'd say the folks that showed up in the last 10-15 years are of the "foodstamp sourdough" culture.
Left Coast includes Juneau.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
no Alaska on the map,guess we don't do the class warfare/put people into groups ......but I do ........ I'd say the folks that showed up in the last 10-15 years are of the "foodstamp sourdough" culture.
Left Coast includes Juneau.
Travis
As true as that may be, you are either geographically challenged or don't know where atv is at.
There, I said it.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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