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Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9676362 03/11/15
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bigblock455 Campfire Tracker B Joined: May 2007 Posts: 3,251 Colorado	LOL pasture pie! That one cracked me up so bad my eyes filled up with tears! And yes, I am just kiddin around. I see custom rifles for sale and then you see a newbie come along asking if its a lyman or a traditions LOL. https://bs-bp.forumotion.com/

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Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? captchee #9677194 03/11/15
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bucktales Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,404 Ct.	Outstanding! Love that wirework!

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? bucktales #9677418 03/11/15
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captchee Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho	just alittle under 400 hours Dan

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9678010 03/11/15
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DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,037 In the Swamps	400 hours...wow. Your time was well spent. D I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? captchee #9678566 03/12/15
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Triple_Se7en Campfire Regular T Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 624 Southeast Michigan	Captchee That's a friggin' beauty....OMG! I would be scared to hunt with it, for fear of scratching it. Makes my Shenandoah look real cheap.

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Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9679172 03/12/15
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EvilTwin Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,269 Upstate NY	Cap, your work is already Legendary. Superlative. And yeah I would hunt with that rifle. Why be married to a beautiful woman and not make love to her???? Be afraid,be VERY VERY afraid ad triarios redisse My Buddy eh76 speaks authentic Frontier Gibberish!

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? EvilTwin #9679415 03/12/15
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Hydrashocker Campfire Regular H Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 533 Utah	Originally Posted by EvilTwin Why be married to a beautiful woman and not make love to her???? Bad analogy...Spilling on it is one thing, beating it against rocks is another. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9679448 03/12/15
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OP centershot Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 10,691 Southern Idaho	Wow Captchee, beautiful! Where in Idaho are you? A true sportsman counts his achievements in proportion to the effort involved and fairness of the sport. - S. Pope

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9679569 03/12/15
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gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,059 Annapolis, Md.	A thing of beauty and a joy forever. Well done, Cap! "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? Hydrashocker #9680106 03/12/15
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captchee Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho	Originally Posted by Hydrashocker Originally Posted by EvilTwin Why be married to a beautiful woman and not make love to her???? Bad analogy...Spilling on it is one thing, beating it against rocks is another. dont know about others but i have never beat one of my hunting rifles on rocks . do they have dents yep . IMO though , that’s a sign of well earned experience . I can tell you I would not have a problem taking that fine lady out and attempt to wear the cover off the seat of my old international. IMO she and I would both be better for it LOL But in all seriousness. These are two completely different rifles The first is slim , sleek like a fine race car . The 2nd is fancy , yes . But its more like a Bentley in that its refined , sophisticated . Both were made to drive . You just drive them differently . Both however need the road to make them what they are Im up in Payette centershot Last edited by captchee; 03/13/15.

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Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9680387 03/12/15
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tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good!	I am awful partial to Hawkens... and similar contraptions... "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? tex_n_cal #9680914 03/13/15
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Triple_Se7en Campfire Regular T Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 624 Southeast Michigan	Is that revolver a Walker? Last edited by Triple_Se7en; 03/13/15.

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? Triple_Se7en #9680927 03/13/15
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fourbore Campfire Regular F Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 971 NewEngland USA	Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en Is that revolver a Walker? I can answer that. Yes. That gun is another one of my pet peeves. Call me grumpy old man about these Walkers, but they really dont hold a candle to Cold 3rd Model Dragoon. The dragon is almost as powerful. The walker has a ton of extra weight and bbl length all for nothing. When you shoot the reproduction Walkers the loading lever pops open. The Walker balance is awful. Basically the Dragoon is for all intents and purpose as powerful and it WORKS. The walker is a coffee table conversation piece. Problem is 99% of the repor's are walkers and 90% of the buyers dont know or dont care about the Dragoon. Anyone serous about wanting to shoot these big big early revolvers look for a dragoon. The Rugers and Remington dont come close in power. The Walker is a poor choice up against any of the Dragoons. The 3rd being hands down best of best: https://www.google.com/search?q=col...=xMoCVb_TOtCHgwTFy4KoCA&ved=0CDIQsAQ IMHO, as alwasy

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9681104 03/13/15
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tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good!	The lever latch of the Dragoons was an improvement, speeding rate of fire - as indeed the lever always drops when you fire the Walker. But I figure the smoke screen caused by lighting off 55 grains of powder usually obscured you well enough that you had time to flip the lever up, and cock the hammer. So no, it's not as efficient as the Dragoons. But these aren't about efficiency "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? fourbore #9683449 03/14/15
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doctor_Encore Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,761 west of the Chesapeake Bay	Originally Posted by fourbore Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en Is that revolver a Walker? I can answer that. Yes. That gun is another one of my pet peeves. Call me grumpy old man about these Walkers, but they really dont hold a candle to Cold 3rd Model Dragoon. The dragon is almost as powerful. The walker has a ton of extra weight and bbl length all for nothing. When you shoot the reproduction Walkers the loading lever pops open. The Walker balance is awful. Basically the Dragoon is for all intents and purpose as powerful and it WORKS. The walker is a coffee table conversation piece. Problem is 99% of the repor's are walkers and 90% of the buyers dont know or dont care about the Dragoon. Anyone serous about wanting to shoot these big big early revolvers look for a dragoon. The Rugers and Remington dont come close in power. The Walker is a poor choice up against any of the Dragoons. The 3rd being hands down best of best: https://www.google.com/search?q=col...=xMoCVb_TOtCHgwTFy4KoCA&ved=0CDIQsAQ IMHO, as alwasy To my understanding the Walker Colts barrel was twisted requiring full powder charges, the Dragoons twist was changed and shoot well with various charge weights. Doc

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9683875 03/14/15
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Ron_T Campfire Tracker R Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,901 10 miles north of Dayton, Ohio	Hoyt and Captchee... What absolutely BEAUTIFUL rifles you're created. I don't see how they could be more exquisitely built. You are, indeed, "master" builders !~!~! Congratulations on creating such beauty !!! It's smart to hang around old guys 'cause they know lotsa stuff...

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9686637 03/15/15
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RWL99 Campfire Regular R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 991 Michigan	If a roundball from a flintlock can't kill it then it can't be kilt. "We live in the present, we dream of the future, but we learn eternal truths from the past"

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? TNrifleman #9686868 03/15/15
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Roundup Campfire Regular R Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,091 Eastern Oregon	Originally Posted by TNrifleman I prefer caplock rifles, patched round balls and real black powder. I don't have an inline and don't intend to buy one. So, traditional muzzloaders aren't dead at my house. When ground squirrel hunting I occasionally take my .50 caplock along. Well worth the effort. Happy Trails! NRA Life Member

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? centershot #9687501 03/15/15
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BMR Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 741 WI	Not for me. My 1847 era J&S Hawken rifle built by John Bergmann 5 years ago. I ordered the components from Don Stith, who makes his components from the original J&S Hawkens he owns, and had him send them to John. It has a .54 cal, 1-56" twist, 36" X 1 1/8" - 1" tapered Rice barrel, RE Davis lock, 14 1/4" inch length of pull, and weighs 10.8 pounds. [img]http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/BMR_photos/IMG_0509.jpg[/img] [img]http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/BMR_photos/IMG_0512.jpg[/img] [img]http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/BMR_photos/IMG_0513-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/BMR_photos/IMG_0514-1.jpg[/img]

Re: Traditional Muzzleloaders a thing of the past? BMR #9687862 03/15/15
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tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good!	Originally Posted by BMR Not for me. My 1847 era J&S Hawken rifle built by John Bergmann 5 years ago. I ordered the components from Don Stith, who makes his components from the original J&S Hawkens he owns, and had him send them to John. It has a .54 cal, 1-56" twist, 36" X 1 1/8" - 1" tapered Rice barrel, RE Davis lock, 14 1/4" inch length of pull, and weighs 10.8 pounds. Wonderful Hawken "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

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