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When I did have one I saw 3100 fps with H1000 but that was long ago.

Please be advised. This is only a simulation, although I have found it to be very accurate in most applications! YMMV


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I have worked up with 3 powders in this group and just did a comparison for velocities generated on my Oehler 35P in a Model 70 with 26" barrel. Using Federal 215 primers, my results were:

Quickload
72.3gn H 1000 = 3149fps
67.9gn Rel 22 = 3148fps
73.7gn Retumbo = 3111fps

My loads Chronographed
73gn H 1000 = 3011fps
67gn Rel 22 = 3134fps
73gn Retumbo = 3057fps.

Interestingly, my Rel 22 load averaged .602" during testing. The Aussie powders were 1.5 - 2.5" by comparison.
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AGW: Interesting.

I've found RL22 to give good accuracy as well.




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The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by ewc
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Would you run a 7 wsm with 23 ? 120 ttsx and 160 NAB?

2.860 oal and 24" barrel.

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Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 120, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 28472
Useable Case Capaci: 73.880 grain H2O = 4.797 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 97 64.80 3102 2563 43993 11566 99.3 1.246
-09.0 98 65.52 3137 2621 45562 11653 99.6 1.227
-08.0 99 66.24 3171 2680 47195 11732 99.7 1.207
-07.0 101 66.96 3206 2739 48893 11803 99.9 1.188
-06.0 102 67.68 3241 2798 50659 11866 99.9 1.168
-05.0 103 68.40 3275 2858 52496 11922 100.0 1.150
-04.0 104 69.12 3309 2918 54407 11970 100.0 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 105 69.84 3343 2978 56398 12015 100.0 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 106 70.56 3377 3038 58470 12060 100.0 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 107 71.28 3410 3099 60628 12104 100.0 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 72.00 3444 3160 62862 12146 100.0 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 109 72.72 3477 3222 65176 12187 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 110 73.44 3510 3283 67577 12228 100.0 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 111 74.16 3543 3345 70073 12267 100.0 1.011 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 74.88 3576 3408 72667 12305 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 113 75.60 3609 3471 75366 12342 100.0 0.980 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 72.00 3579 3413 77186 11696 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 72.00 3237 2792 49614 12513 98.4 1.172




Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932
Useable Case Capaci: 71.071 grain H2O = 4.615 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 93 59.40 2751 2689 45385 11063 100.0 1.388
-09.0 94 60.06 2779 2745 46953 11125 100.0 1.367
-08.0 95 60.72 2807 2800 48571 11187 100.0 1.346
-07.0 96 61.38 2835 2856 50242 11248 100.0 1.325
-06.0 97 62.04 2863 2912 51969 11309 100.0 1.305
-05.0 98 62.70 2891 2968 53753 11368 100.0 1.285
-04.0 99 63.36 2918 3025 55597 11427 100.0 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 100 64.02 2945 3082 57504 11484 100.0 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 64.68 2972 3139 59474 11541 100.0 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 65.34 2999 3196 61511 11597 100.0 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 66.00 3026 3254 63618 11652 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 104 66.66 3053 3312 65798 11706 100.0 1.174 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 105 67.32 3080 3370 68052 11759 100.0 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 67.98 3107 3429 70385 11811 100.0 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 68.64 3133 3488 72800 11863 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 108 69.30 3160 3547 75300 11913 100.0 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 66.00 3123 3466 77177 11278 100.0 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 66.00 2878 2943 50205 12192 99.9 1.311


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Fotis-

Thank you very much. Your predicted speeds are very close to what I measured.

I've got to get that software.

Thanks again-

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I'm pretty sure if you put the quickload data between [code][/code] it'll show up on the 'fire as much more reader friendly.

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Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932
Useable Case Capaci: 71.071 grain H2O = 4.615 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 93 59.40 2751 2689 45385 11063 100.0 1.388
-09.0 94 60.06 2779 2745 46953 11125 100.0 1.367
-08.0 95 60.72 2807 2800 48571 11187 100.0 1.346
-07.0 96 61.38 2835 2856 50242 11248 100.0 1.325
-06.0 97 62.04 2863 2912 51969 11309 100.0 1.305
-05.0 98 62.70 2891 2968 53753 11368 100.0 1.285
-04.0 99 63.36 2918 3025 55597 11427 100.0 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 100 64.02 2945 3082 57504 11484 100.0 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 64.68 2972 3139 59474 11541 100.0 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 65.34 2999 3196 61511 11597 100.0 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 66.00 3026 3254 63618 11652 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 104 66.66 3053 3312 65798 11706 100.0 1.174 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 105 67.32 3080 3370 68052 11759 100.0 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 67.98 3107 3429 70385 11811 100.0 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 68.64 3133 3488 72800 11863 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 108 69.30 3160 3547 75300 11913 100.0 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 66.00 3123 3466 77177 11278 100.0 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 66.00 2878 2943 50205 12192 99.9 1.311

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much better in code


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Hello guys!

I'm new in this forum but I've been reading your posts for some time and I was wondering if any of you could run the QL so I can have an idea of how this powder (Reloder 26) works on a 7mm rem mag with 24" barrel, using hornady sst 154 gn and hornady sst 139 gn with federal 215M primers...
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Another +1 for RL-26. Tried it last weekend for the first time in my 7mm WSM with 162 A-Max bullets. Really good accuracy! Loading up a bunch more and will bring the chrono next time.

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Try some Re33, also. Works great with 160s and long barrels.


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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Fotis that's an interesting table to read through.

If that's what a 7mm Rem Mag looks like at 65,000 psi I suspect I've never loaded that hot. Anytime I saw over 3100 fps with a 160 gr from the cartridge I'd stop and throttle back a bit.

But it does show how much better some of these modern slow burners can be in the cartridge.Can't help but wonder how they'd hold up in real life. That first load with V N570 grabs my eye.....77 gr for 3253 fps at 65,000 psi, That's a lot of velocity from the cartridge with a 160. Ditto for the RL33 load for 3238....Good to remember this is for a 26" barrel.

Interesting.

Anyone know how does QL arrive at its figures anyway?

Bob,

I got some Vv N-570 to try in my 26 Nos, hearing it was a good one for that round. I saw a QL print out that showed it as top performer in the .300 Win Mag with 200 gr. bullets.

It's a real coarse stick, just about won't work in a powder measure. I had to remove the RCBS Uniflow drop tube, stacking was so bad. I drop a charge without drop tube in my scale pan, adjust to weight, then funnel into the case.

It's a high energy powder and doesn't over fill the case, at least the Nos. Haven't dropped a load in either .300 Win Mag or 7RM.

RL-33 is a favorite among some LR .264 WM shooters with 140's.

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I just scooped 65lbs of '26. I'm banking on it working good lol

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Originally Posted by todbartell
I just scooped 65lbs of '26. I'm banking on it working good lol

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You better hope it works...

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Originally Posted by Ames
Hello guys!

I'm new in this forum but I've been reading your posts for some time and I was wondering if any of you could run the QL so I can have an idea of how this powder (Reloder 26) works on a 7mm rem mag with 24" barrel, using hornady sst 154 gn and hornady sst 139 gn with federal 215M primers...
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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by BobinNH
Fotis that's an interesting table to read through.

If that's what a 7mm Rem Mag looks like at 65,000 psi I suspect I've never loaded that hot. Anytime I saw over 3100 fps with a 160 gr from the cartridge I'd stop and throttle back a bit.

But it does show how much better some of these modern slow burners can be in the cartridge.Can't help but wonder how they'd hold up in real life. That first load with V N570 grabs my eye.....77 gr for 3253 fps at 65,000 psi, That's a lot of velocity from the cartridge with a 160. Ditto for the RL33 load for 3238....Good to remember this is for a 26" barrel.

Interesting.

Anyone know how does QL arrive at its figures anyway?

Bob,

I got some Vv N-570 to try in my 26 Nos, hearing it was a good one for that round. I saw a QL print out that showed it as top performer in the .300 Win Mag with 200 gr. bullets.

It's a real coarse stick, just about won't work in a powder measure. I had to remove the RCBS Uniflow drop tube, stacking was so bad. I drop a charge without drop tube in my scale pan, adjust to weight, then funnel into the case.

It's a high energy powder and doesn't over fill the case, at least the Nos. Haven't dropped a load in either .300 Win Mag or 7RM.

RL-33 is a favorite among some LR .264 WM shooters with 140's.

DF


If I can find some of the stuff I wanna try it in the 7mm Mashburn with 175's. My rifle does well with H1000 and 175 PT's at 3050, but it seems like RL33 might free up a little speed. It is hard to mess too much with the current load as it shoots really well, but I can't resist giving it a whirl.. grin

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Retumbo looked pretty good as well, but around me, RL33 seems to be easier to locate.

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Dirtfarmer: Those VVN powders are the beotch to locate around here.... cry

I tend to stick with the local available stuff and am ready to try some of the new Enduron 7977 in the 7 Rem Mag. Bought 2 pounds.




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Powder Valley had 570.

http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/

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That V570 is some awesome looking powder in most of the QL profiles for the big jugged 7's. If I saw it locally, I'd bite the bullet and HAVE to grab a pound..


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