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Hello all,

I have a Sako A7 in 270win with a Leupold VX3 1.75-6x32 in Talley Extra Lows. The front base/ring is the extended version and it hangs over the action. I'm wondering if any of you know if I could just do a Low version of this ring and not have it hang over the action? Or if I could put the extended in the rear and still have correct eye relief? I really don't like how it overhangs.

Also, do you think the upgrading the stock to a McMillan edge is worth the almost $600 investment? The rifle weighs 7.25 lbs all up. I'd probably save 1/2 lb or so. I average 1"-1.5" at 100 yards, but I think that is the shooter. I mostly like the looks of the McMillan and want to change things up a bit.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

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As far as the Edge stock the "worth" is in the assessment of the holder.
I'm sure the rifle would have a more quality feel to it.
Can't say as to weight savings.
Haven't heard of A7 stock induced wandering point of aim's.
Sometimes you have to say screw the worth and scratch that itch.
A Edge won't be worse.

Don't know about the rings either.
A7 has Weaver type base built right in doesn't it?
Does your scope have the length to not need that rearward extension?
If so get some Burris Signature ZEE rings.
I would go with mediums as the lows are LOW and even mediums low as most makers low.
Personally I like a little height in the ring/base combo and think lowest possible mounting over rated and harder to get behind shooting prone or uphill angles.


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Thanks for the input FVA. It really is an itch.

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The scope has 5.4" of mounting length as opposed to the 2.5-8x36 that I wanted at 5.1".

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J, I have an A7 from when they first came out about 6-7 years ago. It had the hard plastic tupperware stock.

Couple years ago I replaced the factory stock with an EDGE.

The EDGE stock is actually a couple ounces heavier than the factory stock. It's a little wider and just a more solid stock.

If you have more recent vintage A7 the stock might be different and you could actually save weight but I'm just guessing.

I obviously didn't shave any weight but did end up with a rifle that is nicer to shoot. The EDGE stock soaks up recoil better than the plastic and that alone is worth it.

Zero gain in accuracy, a slightly heavier stock but a noticeable reduction in felt recoil. Mine is a 300 WSM that weighs about 7.5lbs scoped.


And FWIW, if you want to replace the factory A7 shroud with a nicer stainless/blued version the Sako 85 shroud will fit.

http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=sako+85+shroud&ksubmit=y


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Originally Posted by SamOlson
J, I have an A7 from when they first came out about 6-7 years ago. It had the hard plastic tupperware stock.

Couple years ago I replaced the factory stock with an EDGE.

The EDGE stock is actually a couple ounces heavier than the factory stock. It's a little wider and just a more solid stock.

If you have more recent vintage A7 the stock might be different and you could actually save weight but I'm just guessing.

I obviously didn't shave any weight but did end up with a rifle that is nicer to shoot. The EDGE stock soaks up recoil better than the plastic and that alone is worth it.

Zero gain in accuracy, a slightly heavier stock but a noticeable reduction in felt recoil. Mine is a 300 WSM that weighs about 7.5lbs scoped.


And FWIW, if you want to replace the factory A7 shroud with a nicer stainless/blued version the Sako 85 shroud will fit.

http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=sako+85+shroud&ksubmit=y



Thanks for the input Sam. The stock is the newer soft touch, kind of rubber overmold deal. It's nice enough, I'm just digging the McMillans as of late. Looks like 22-24 ozs for the Edge and 32ish ozs for the regular classic. I also like the McWoody and think it would look sweet with the stainless barrel/action.

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I have one with an edge and one with a ST stock. I doubt either could get more accurate. smile I prefer the ST stock over the McEdge as it's much more quite. The ST stock isn't going to alert game in tight quarters when it rubs up against your other gear.(bino's, buttons, pack buckles,brush, etc.etc.) The finger nail on the chalk board noise drives me crazy.

The McEdge replace the tupperware stock it came with. The only thing the McEdge changed as far as accuracy was that with the McEdge POI was 1/4" lower. Accuracy with both is unbelievable.



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I have two A7 stainless rifles, one in 308 and one in 708. Both are great rifles, consistent and super accurate. Both have been to RSA twice as my main rifle. They both shoot hand loads and Barnes factory TTSX to same POI. I wouldn't change a thing on either rifle.


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Originally Posted by MissouriEd
I have two A7 stainless rifles, one in 308 and one in 708. Both are great rifles, consistent and super accurate. Both have been to RSA twice as my main rifle. They both shoot hand loads and Barnes factory TTSX to same POI. I wouldn't change a thing on either rifle.


Are both in the soft touch stock?

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Originally Posted by jmac603
Hello all,

I have a Sako A7 in 270win with a Leupold VX3 1.75-6x32 in Talley Extra Lows. The front base/ring is the extended version and it hangs over the action. I'm wondering if any of you know if I could just do a Low version of this ring and not have it hang over the action? Or if I could put the extended in the rear and still have correct eye relief? I really don't like how it overhangs.

Also, do you think the upgrading the stock to a McMillan edge is worth the almost $600 investment? The rifle weighs 7.25 lbs all up. I'd probably save 1/2 lb or so. I average 1"-1.5" at 100 yards, but I think that is the shooter. I mostly like the looks of the McMillan and want to change things up a bit.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

J


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A7 M action 30-06 with low Talley LW.

Don't think it possible to save any weight using an Edge stock. The Edge may even be heavier than the Sako. Not sure you would see any change in accuracy either. Going to the Edge would be better suited if it was a better fit to you, otherwise, if the Sako stock fits you well, you'd gain little if no advantage. If you like the fit of the Sako stock, hunt the rifle hard, and then look at a replacement if the factory stock breaks. Other than torquing the forend hard with a super tight sling, or cranking down hard against a bipod, the stock likely would not break unless run over by a vehicle or rolled over by a horse.

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Looks great Gary. Maybe just a paint job is in order. Can you please give details on the materials and how to do it? Thank you!

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A7 S action 243win coyote rifle.

I used an automotive industry acid etch base paint under a durable texture top coat. The acid etch creates a chemical/molecular bond and both have held up about 5 years now. These stocks are first generation, not the later soft touch. The texture applied to both and the camo applied to the coyote rifle serves a needed function.

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85 M action 9.3x62 Black Bear.

This particular rifle sports a Sako soft touch stock. I've owned and hunted with two different M70s in Edge stocks. Though I liked those stocks, the Sako stock better fits me as it appears they use my twin brother when designing the stock ergos. As far as the black soft touch is concerned, it is ugly as sin, but it is far superior when hunting, in all aspects, in comparison to the texture paint finishes I had on the Edge stocks. I've hunted this particular rifle hard, and though it is cut and scuffed up from knocks and bangs, the stock has held up exceedingly well. If I were to pay top dollar to have a stock custom fit to my dimensions, it would not be too far off from the factory Sako dimensions. So if your stock fits you properly and it was a soft touch, I'd just go hunting and would care less if it was workhorse ugly. If the stock does not fit you well, then no amount of decoration for vanity sake will make it good, it will always be a thorn in your side. In that case, spending the extra money to have a properly fitted stock may very well be a worthwhile endeavor. However, I find the value in the Sako if it fits and works in box stock trim. If large expensive changes are needed to make the rifle fit, then its value may be lost and other rifle options may make a better fit for the dollars spent.

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Originally Posted by jmac603
Originally Posted by MissouriEd
I have two A7 stainless rifles, one in 308 and one in 708. Both are great rifles, consistent and super accurate. Both have been to RSA twice as my main rifle. They both shoot hand loads and Barnes factory TTSX to same POI. I wouldn't change a thing on either rifle.


Are both in the soft touch stock?


They are both soft touch.


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Originally Posted by GaryVA
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A7 S action 243win coyote rifle.

I used an automotive industry acid etch base paint under a durable texture top coat. The acid etch creates a chemical/molecular bond and both have held up about 5 years now. These stocks are first generation, not the later soft touch. The texture applied to both and the camo applied to the coyote rifle serves a needed function.

[Linked Image]

85 M action 9.3x62 Black Bear.

This particular rifle sports a Sako soft touch stock. I've owned and hunted with two different M70s in Edge stocks. Though I liked those stocks, the Sako stock better fits me as it appears they use my twin brother when designing the stock ergos. As far as the black soft touch is concerned, it is ugly as sin, but it is far superior when hunting, in all aspects, in comparison to the texture paint finishes I had on the Edge stocks. I've hunted this particular rifle hard, and though it is cut and scuffed up from knocks and bangs, the stock has held up exceedingly well. If I were to pay top dollar to have a stock custom fit to my dimensions, it would not be too far off from the factory Sako dimensions. So if your stock fits you properly and it was a soft touch, I'd just go hunting and would care less if it was workhorse ugly. If the stock does not fit you well, then no amount of decoration for vanity sake will make it good, it will always be a thorn in your side. In that case, spending the extra money to have a properly fitted stock may very well be a worthwhile endeavor. However, I find the value in the Sako if it fits and works in box stock trim. If large expensive changes are needed to make the rifle fit, then its value may be lost and other rifle options may make a better fit for the dollars spent.

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Very sound advice. Thank you.

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