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10-4, near or far is the game.

Yep, those ole cannons will whack'em way out yonder. Just ask Chief Quanah Parker at Adobe Walls, about that Injun next to him who took a dive off his horse, courtesy of a slug from Billy Dixon's big fifty Sharps...

The 26 Nos would have been next to useless in that setting. With today's ordinance, you'd need a Chris Kyle type shooter with a .338 Lapua or similar to reproduce what ole Billy did nearly 150 years ago...

Yeah, those old guns are uber cool...

DF

LOL, I'll always have a soft spot reserved for the 300 Win Mag regardless of what I'm currently learning to shoot, it "IS" that special to me.

Yep, I can appreciate that.

Not much a good reloader can't do with the ole .300 WM.

With the right .300 WM set up, that Injun at Adobe Walls may be in trouble all over again...

DF

210 gr ABLR at 3K fps with a good man on the trigger says he would.

I'd like to see hard intel showing that the claimed BC on that 142 ABLR is accurate. I have my doubts.

I had the same concern. B.C. of .719 seems pretty ambitious with the 160 VLD Matrix at .685.

So, I guess we'll have to see over time with actual range experience if that value holds up or if it is eventually downsized a bit.

DF

Maybe they waited till one of the hot summer days to try that bullet. I don't see how it has enough sectional density, no matter how sleek, to get to .719.

Until Nosler can put 129 and 142 ABLR's on dealers shelves and in our hands, those B.C. numbers are just theoretical. So, far, the 129's are on B.O., long overdue. The 142's are just available in photos, not even something one can B.O.

In the meantime, we'll shoot what we can find.

From the 160 gr., 26 Nos data I've seen, I don't think I'm going to order any. They're just too slow for my use, mayby OK for paper punching and steel clanging. Right now, I'm focusing on the 127 LRX at 3,575 fps. I had a great hunting season with 120 E-Tips at 3,450. The faster, flatter LRX's may be even mo better than E-Tips. Only a Loony would understand such stuff...

DF

Mi comprendo...grin...

Dirt farmer have you been shooting the 127gr LRX??? What load are you using and what velocities are you getting my rifle is finally done and I was going to load the LRX from 88gr-95gr of 869 not sure yet what coal yet

Welcome to the fire, Sheepaholic. What rifle did you get? Is it a factory or custom?

My rifle is a full custom built by corlanes in Dawson creek b.c. it's a defiance action McMillan hunters edge stock and benchmark barrel

Just wondering what is too slow on the 160gr matrix bullet? It should be faster than my 264WM and I am getting 3261fps with the Woodleigh 160gr PPSN.

I have a batch of 127 LRX's loaded and ready to go, would be reporting results had I not gotten rained out this weekend.

Jetbrook has more 26 Nos experience than I have. He and I have PM'ed back and forth. He loaded 127 LRX's with 91 gr. 869, clocked at 3,575 fps. He had some loads over 3,600 fps, but said his accuracy node was at 91 gr. IIRC, he was reporting sub half inch hundred yard groups with that combo.

120 E-Tips max out at 3,450 fps., and Nosler cautions that starting loads should be used with E-Tips. It seems to me (WAG) that Barnes mono's with their driving bands, have less friction/resistance than solid shank E-Tips, probably the same for GMX's. Even though the latter two are made of softer, more malleable gilding metal, it seems solid copper mono's with driving bands can be driven faster.

Mono-metals love to jump, sometimes a good bit. The 26 Nos has some freebore like Wby. For example, factory 120 E-Tips with a 3.34" COAL jump .123" in my gun (std. SAAMI chamber), shooting half MOA.

I loaded my LRX's to crimp in the top ring, giving a COAL of 3.510". That's a bit longer than factory 3.34", but my rifle has a full 3.6" mag box and will tolerate any reasonable COAL. This LRX load will be jumping .10", so we'll see if that's enough. If it needs more, I'll seat them deaper and won't crimp. I know, I know, I don't need to crimp'em, but it does look nice...

Jetbrook reported good performance on hogs with Scenar 136L's, but like me, came to the conclusion that mono's may be the ticket in the 26. This LRX has a pretty decent B.C. and nothing in its class seems to match its speed. Heavier, slower bullets with higher B.C.'s may be the ticket for LR targets, but this combo seems better suited for the type hunting I'm doing.

IMO, US-869 and WC-872 are THE powders for the 26, beating out all other slow burners in most applications. 872 is reportedly slower, but I can't tell much difference. 872 is a pulldown 20mm vulcan surplus powder, 869 is current mfg.

That's a synopsis of where I am with this round, although not quite finished working with it.

DF

Pictures...?

DF

It would seem mathmatically predictable that at equal pressures, the larger case would out perform the samller one.

So far, I've not seen 160 VLD, 26 Nos data that impresses me.

Time will tell as more and more Loonies tackle this round.

Maybe we haven't yet gotten into real "Fire" pressures...

DF


ed. for spelling/typo

Here is a new wildcat that GA precision will be building for the developer.
Re: 6.5 Prometheus (6.5 PRO) 140 gr. 3700 fps

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My apologies for the delay in responding, my day job as construction superintendent has me occupied and there are times when I do not visit LRH for a while, the reason why I indicated that the FB Wildcat Cartridges page is best to contact me,

As it stands at this point in time I have successfully reached 3500 fps with the 160 gr Matrix bullets coated with WS2 tunsten disulfide powder using 100 gr of US869, I also use a bore prep with WS2 to coat the bore for enhancing heat deflection to delay torching the throat/lead..... I have 400 rounds down the Brux barrel with no sign of fire cracking yet, In my opinion this cartridge is not as bad as the 26 Nosler on barrels, but still to early to tell, maybe Brux just makes a helluva barrel ?

I have also just received 3 boxes of the 150 gr Matrix VLD's and 1 box of the 142 gr bullets from Marshal @ Matrix Bullets ! gonna run them in incremental charges to establish a known velocity table for these bullets as I have with the 160's ....

BTW .... Marshal is awesome !!! he crammed an extra 42 bullets into the box of 142's for free, sez it was the end of a production run and gave them to me ! Thank you !

The reamer has only been used twice so far, I had an extra barrel all done up ready to shoot and taken off, it's an 8 twist 30" Bartlein, keep in mind that all velocities obtained so far were with a 26" Brux and the 30" may show some fps gain .

PM me the smiths info where I can expedite the reamer to, I can also send you 3 fireformed cases that you can use for creating loading dies from,

I have read some stuff on the 6.5 Pro. Man, that thing is a hammer...

I'm interested in data as they are produced. Gotta be noisy...

I shot a hog last fall with the 26 at around 100 yds., my hunting bud was at another food plot 5-600 yds. or so thru the woods. He texted, "Sounded like a cannon." I texted back, "It was"...

6.5 Pro is mo worser that the 26...

With the right loads the 6.5 Pro should be something else at extreme ranges.

DF

I have a 1917 enfield 30-06 and was wanting to build the 6.5 Pro on it but when I contacted GA Precision they won't use my gun and are only building on the Rem 700 action.