24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Buying a piece of property out towards Trapper Creek and was looking for some ideas on what type of foundation would work best for the cabin I plan to build.

Our property is located on a ridge with some good sized trees and the ground seems to be pretty good but we'll know more after everything melts. Was thinking about using pier blocks but I am open to any and all suggestions.


That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.

Steelhead

GB1

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Log or stick?


If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
--Pat Parelli

American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
--ironbender
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Stick frame.


That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.

Steelhead

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Poured or block is best if only obviously smile Not knowing the remoteness of the location, it could get pricy.

Barring that, I'd go with sono-tubes with wheel barrow concrete and girders on which to place floor joists.

458 Lott is an engineer and will have good advice as well as others. I'm just a redneck. smile


If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
--Pat Parelli

American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
--ironbender
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 17,491
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 17,491
Originally Posted by ironbender
I'm just a redneck. smile


I take issue with "just". Some rednecks are more to be trusted than some engineers. (Note the judicious use of the word "some". grin )


Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
IC B2

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Yes, sir. I caught that.





Bastid.


If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
--Pat Parelli

American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
--ironbender
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 40,179
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 40,179
Is there a road to your property?


Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"

Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."

MOLON LABE





Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
No road but I can get to it in about 10 minutes by wheeler and even faster by sled. It is no more than a mile from the road and is located in Kenny Creek subdivision in Petersville.


That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.

Steelhead

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 40,179
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 40,179
Post and pier to beat the frost or damp ground. 40" to top of footing.







Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"

Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."

MOLON LABE





Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 17,491
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 17,491
Originally Posted by ironbender
Yes, sir. I caught that.





Bastid.


I was being nice (this time). And here you go implying that I was implying… blush


Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
IC B3

Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,627
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,627
The piers are important... and Sonotubes are hard to match, but the real trick to your foundation is going to be the floor system you put atop the piers.

Look at the "torsion box" as the correct answer and build from there. Floor squeaks and springiness can very easily be engineered right out of the equation... and it is cost-efficient +P.


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,627
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,627
And, torsion boxes are easy to insulate...


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,056
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,056
the good thing is you'll have about 500 neighbors to ask what they did and how it turned out.


"243/85TSX It's as if the HAMMER OF THOR were wielded by CHUCK NORRIS himself, and a roundhouse kick thrown in for good measure."
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 40,179
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 40,179
You can put these in with a wiggle grin



Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"

Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."

MOLON LABE





Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,172
Originally Posted by Klikitarik
Originally Posted by ironbender
Yes, sir. I caught that.





Bastid.


I was being nice (this time). And here you go implying that I was implying… blush

I dint incinerate nuthin! smile


If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
--Pat Parelli

American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
--ironbender
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 21,317
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 21,317
I are not a dirt engineer, somehow I managed to get in a position to tell folks how to not have their chit burn down and how to placate the fire marshal, should they heed my advice.

For what little it's worth, my take on cabin foundations is it's a balance between what is ideal, and what you can practically pull off in a remote location both in terms of how difficult it is to get the tools and materials on site, and how difficult and time consuming it is to do the work. Also remember that in addition to supporting the weight loads you need to consider wind loads. While pier blocks are quick and easy, they aren't going to give you any support for wind loads. But after putting in three sono tubes in rocky soil for a new deck this summer using a post hole digger and mixing up 18 sacks of concrete in a wheelbarrow, I can attest to the appeal of pier blocks.

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
The piers are important... and Sonotubes are hard to match, but the real trick to your foundation is going to be the floor system you put atop the piers.

Look at the "torsion box" as the correct answer and build from there. Floor squeaks and springiness can very easily be engineered right out of the equation... and it is cost-efficient +P.


I Googled torsion box and came up with lots of links for building furniture and some other small things, have you ever seen a foundation built using a torsion box?

Originally Posted by Sitka deer
And, torsion boxes are easy to insulate...


Funny, I was thinking about this last night, building a double layer floor and insulating in between them. This torsion box thing could be the answer to my foundation question.


That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.

Steelhead

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
On another note, we will be able to get some of my buddies heavy equipment on site to help with the build. He's got a mini excavator that we will use to dig the hole for the outhouse and holes for whatever pier type foundation I decide to use.

He's already been out to the site and said getting his equipment out there won't be a problem.


That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.

Steelhead

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,358
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,358
I've did a number of cabins by ,boat,wheeler,trackrig, it all depends upon the soil(being on a ridge i'd say go this route) a good easy and strong one is to use-used/tired rim's off a tractor trailer, screw jacks from Greer and cement its tuff and u can adjust them ,they don't burn and no digging!


I work harder than a ugly stripper....
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 10,653
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 10,653
Originally Posted by AkMtnHntr
On another note, we will be able to get some of my buddies heavy equipment on site to help with the build. He's got a mini excavator that we will use to dig the hole for the outhouse and holes for whatever pier type foundation I decide to use.

He's already been out to the site and said getting his equipment out there won't be a problem.


If you can get heavy equipment to the site, can you get cement truck to it. If you can I would suggest a footings and frost wall to create a crawl space.

[Linked Image]


You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime



Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

575 members (1lessdog, 10gaugemag, 007FJ, 1lesfox, 160user, 1Longbow, 54 invisible), 2,673 guests, and 1,240 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,365
Posts18,469,021
Members73,931
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.136s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8989 MB (Peak: 1.0499 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-25 23:11:43 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS