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I've used bullet from 110-240 grains with excellent results, with 1/10.
That said, I'm at some altitude (4000 feet in the valley), and I wouldn't promise the same results at sea-level, in cold temps....I just don't know.
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Nice velocity #s for the 06 for sure.
Thanks for sharing a good piece of work.
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I did a load workup using the Berger 215 gr Hybrid in the 30-06. This bullet has G1 BC .696, an G7 BC .356. Needless to say it's one of the top long range .308" bullets available. I used Norma brass for the workup as it's relatively thin and soft. It shows pressure signs right away. Here's the nuts and bolts, Rifle Rem 700 action Douglas #7 1/10 twist 22.5" barrel McMillan A2 stock SWFA 12X MRAD scope Load data and velocity/accuracy. Accuracy was based on three shots at 100 yards, measured center to center. Velocity numbers are speed measured 10 yards in front of the muzzle with a Chrony F1. 30-06 moly'd 215 Berger Norma brass CCI 200 primer 3.45" OAL 30-thou' off lands Reloder 17 54.0 gr - 2640, 2644, 2648 - .207" no signs of excess pressure 55.0 gr - 2701, 2695, 2701 - .252" slight bolt stiffness, slight ejector mark 4000-MR (all loads compressed) 3.48" OAL, bullets touching lands 59.0 gr - 2711, 2709, 2660 - .580" no signs of excess pressure 60.0 gr - 2752, 2733, 2723 - .850" light ejector smear 61.0 gr - 2786, 2770, 2771 - .602" stiff bolt, ejector smear I was impressed with the accuracy using RL-17. I loaded up a batch using the 54.0 gr charge, for long range testing. JBM suggests they will hold 1100 fps to 1900 yards in local atmo. Here are a few pics, ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/Shooting/P3090007%201024x767_zpskfcqbcs7.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/30-06%20Targets/P3090056%201024x539_zps0ndeiscw.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/30-06%20Targets/P3090057%20847x1024_zpsyzg2ttcj.jpg) I met up with Broz and we took the 30-06/215 Berger to distance. We fired at 985, 1195, 1498, and 1767 yards. Conditions: Temp 55F, 3-10 mph wind fron 2 oclock, 4300 ft el. Accuracy/consistency were very good out to 1498 yards. At 1767 the wind was pushing the bullet around. Our target was a rock 8" tall, and 12" wide. We put close rounds all around it, well within 12", but couldn't claim any hits. I'll try it someday when wind is near calm. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/Shooting/P3110011%201024x798_zpsewmlhhbv.jpg) Here's a little video clip of our 1198 yard shooting at a rock about 6-8" in width/height. First shot was off to the right about .4 mils, after a wind correction, the remainder were awfully close, or hits. Not too bad for a small target at that distance, with a little wind thrown in. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=852474868108888&pnref=storyShane From the Alliant website, 51 grains is listed as the maximum for a 200gr. Speer. And you are loading 54 and 55 grains with a 215? This is a classic argument for the use of a Pressure Trace to show just how overpressure you are.
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Good to know I will take that into consideration.
Also if I do not use non moly on the 215 how will this affect pressure if any since I have never used it?
Thanks.
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I did a load workup using the Berger 215 gr Hybrid in the 30-06. This bullet has G1 BC .696, an G7 BC .356. Needless to say it's one of the top long range .308" bullets available. I used Norma brass for the workup as it's relatively thin and soft. It shows pressure signs right away. Here's the nuts and bolts, Rifle Rem 700 action Douglas #7 1/10 twist 22.5" barrel McMillan A2 stock SWFA 12X MRAD scope Load data and velocity/accuracy. Accuracy was based on three shots at 100 yards, measured center to center. Velocity numbers are speed measured 10 yards in front of the muzzle with a Chrony F1. 30-06 moly'd 215 Berger Norma brass CCI 200 primer 3.45" OAL 30-thou' off lands Reloder 17 54.0 gr - 2640, 2644, 2648 - .207" no signs of excess pressure 55.0 gr - 2701, 2695, 2701 - .252" slight bolt stiffness, slight ejector mark 4000-MR (all loads compressed) 3.48" OAL, bullets touching lands 59.0 gr - 2711, 2709, 2660 - .580" no signs of excess pressure 60.0 gr - 2752, 2733, 2723 - .850" light ejector smear 61.0 gr - 2786, 2770, 2771 - .602" stiff bolt, ejector smear I was impressed with the accuracy using RL-17. I loaded up a batch using the 54.0 gr charge, for long range testing. JBM suggests they will hold 1100 fps to 1900 yards in local atmo. Here are a few pics, I met up with Broz and we took the 30-06/215 Berger to distance. We fired at 985, 1195, 1498, and 1767 yards. Conditions: Temp 55F, 3-10 mph wind fron 2 oclock, 4300 ft el. Accuracy/consistency were very good out to 1498 yards. At 1767 the wind was pushing the bullet around. Our target was a rock 8" tall, and 12" wide. We put close rounds all around it, well within 12", but couldn't claim any hits. I'll try it someday when wind is near calm. Here's a little video clip of our 1198 yard shooting at a rock about 6-8" in width/height. First shot was off to the right about .4 mils, after a wind correction, the remainder were awfully close, or hits. Not too bad for a small target at that distance, with a little wind thrown in. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=852474868108888&pnref=storyShane From the Alliant website, 51 grains is listed as the maximum for a 200gr. Speer. And you are loading 54 and 55 grains with a 215? This is a classic argument for the use of a Pressure Trace to show just how overpressure you are. The 200 gr Speer is not the 215 hybrid. I have been told the 215 has a short bearing surface, which allows it to be pushed faster than a 210 VLD. Plus moly is definitely reducing friction, which is allowing more powder. I used Shane's advice on another forum and pushed the 208 gr amax to 2600fps with RL 17 24" 30-06 non moly.
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Has anybody tried IMR 7828 in 30-06 and heavies? My manual is showing pretty good velocity for a 200gr, actually on of the highest velocities for all of the loads listed in 200gr and up..
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I was getting some signs of pressure at 55gr. 54 gr was what I loaded up for LR shooting.
Every barrel is different, as are bullets. My barrel has somewhere between 4000-5000 rounds down it. That is a factor too.
I wouldn't suggest anyone start where I finished, that would defy common sense. Start low and work up.
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FWIW, I played around a little with Rel 17 and the 200gr Nos. AB.
54grs. got 2740fps out of a 24" Win 70 classic factory barrel. 53grs was running 2670fps.
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I am a believer in that heavy berger now. I have put cases of Sierra 168 downrange and watching MM sling those Bergers yesterday it transforms a .308 into a completely different rifle at long ranges. It was a bit of a shock to see how much less drift it needed than "normal" .308 loads.
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Those were actually the 208 Amax I was shooting out of the 308 yesterday. The 215 Berger is even better than that.
Either way they are a big step up from the traditional 168/175 FGMM loads.
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I have an extra Rock creek 9.33" twist in a rem mag sporter if someone else needs one. I hope to have my other one chambered in 30-06 soon.
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Those were actually the 208 Amax I was shooting out of the 308 yesterday. The 215 Berger is even better than that. Pretty much the reason Litz preaching to use them at 1000 yard matches. You can miss judge the wind value by a few mph and have a scoring ring cushion (shooting a "10" instead of a "9") Bryan loved the 185gr Jugs (which do well out of a 12 twist barrel) until he designed the 215gr bullets.
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Good info on the 215, Shane.
Do you or Broz have an idea of minimum velocity for expansion on critters like deer or elk? I recall some expansion tests awhile back and the tips were getting bent at 1900 fps (no expansion).
At 1498 yards, I'm thinking you were really close to the ~1340fps transonic threshold. They seem stable beyond that distance or was the wind causing problems?
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I believe the 215 was stable past 1498. At the mile it would have been retaining about 1150 fps give or take. All indications were that it was stable, as it was responding to corrections, and missing very close on a small target.
A mile is tough to get right, even a 1 mph error in wind call is very unforgiving. The 215 gr VLD at 2700 fps MV would be drifting approx. 18" per 1 mph wind at a mile. The target was only 12" wide.
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There's a reason a 36" gong is a popular 1-mile target.
We chose smaller so we could spot splashes more accurate and a hit would come from a very good data point.
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Good stuff Shane. Thanks again.
A bud's son has been shooting the 215 for nearly a year now. Dang near catches my old 300 Win load at 1000 yards shooting the 200 NAB at 2950fps. Lot of performance for the recoil.
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Good stuff indeed. Great post, thanks!
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What do you guys think the best platform for launching 215s is? 30-06, 300wm, or 300wsm?
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I'd say it just depends how fast you want to go. The 215 will bring out the best in all of them
With a 26" barrel you are looking at about:
30-06 - 2750 fps
300 WSM - 2850-2900 fps? (a guess)
300 WinMag - 3000 fps (Broz shoots this combo a lot, with H1000 powder).
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