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If I'm going bigger than a .260.... it's straight into the loving belt of the 7 Rem Mag. Any of the midsize 7s (SAUM,WSM, .280AI, Mash, Bee, x64, etc) are still the best big game rifles I can think of.... and the "160/.600/3k" box score is still where 'Long Range Hunting' rounds start for me.
.264 Win/SAUM/whatever can come close.... but it seems an aweful lot of fuss for 15-20% less payload downrange than the 162/168/180 7mm's.
To the OPs question....
Consistent 1-2 MOA 500 yard guns grow on trees, and rarely does caliber/head stamp have anything to do with hitting stuff at that range. I had a ball watching my mom and her friends beat steel out to 500 with my 20" .260 just last Saturday. Properly set-up, light recoiling rifles.... with good dope and reliable optics... will do a lot of work out to about 600.
On a long action... I'd probably go 23" 6.5/06, focus on the 123 Scenar/130 VLD in the 3050-3150 range. It'd recoil and kill like a .270 (which ain't a bad place to be).... but offer flatter trajectory and less drift across the board... though not a lot.
For a 1000 yard steel rig/700 yard hunting rifle.... I'd go 24" 7 Rem... or any of the above mentioned smaller/bigger brothers. Good post right there! Absolutely spot on!! X-VERMINATOR That is a good post and good advice. But, a Loony needs to be indulged...  Swamplord seems to be enjoying his 6.5 Pro and his other proprietary rounds. Some of us Loony types have thoroughly enjoyed working with the 26 Nosler. And I don't disagree with anything stated by Dogshooter; he is spot on. But his wisdom may not be applicable for every adventuresome Loony soul. It doesn't have to make sense. In fact if it did, it probably wouldn't qualify as Loony. DF
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Never had a problem using a rifle with a barrel longer than 26". Few run around the woods with shotguns with 26 or shorter barrels.
It's the hunters that get weak kneed when the pick up a rifle that weighs in between 12 and 15 pounds. It's all mental block. the same hunters will put on a pack with a elk quarter on it and pack it while supporting a big grin.
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I don't like the Ultra light rifles. I have problems holding them still enough to make a decent shot. But, that's just me. But, I'm not packing them over mountains...  But 12-14#'s is too heavy for my tastes, at least for general hunting. Maybe for a bench rest gun or something hauled around to shoot pasture poodles or similar... DF
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28-30" of 'barrel'.... and 10lbs is about right.... if it's a 20" barrel on an 8.5lb gun.... with a 14oz/9" can and full 10rd mag...... ![[Linked Image]](http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r325/dogdownproductions/EA8FD3AF-7948-4376-96B8-BB770A0A41E9_zpsgmhtg6ru.jpg)
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It's the hunters that get weak kneed when the pick up a rifle that weighs in between 12 and 15 pounds. It's all mental block. the same hunters will put on a pack with a elk quarter on it and pack it while supporting a big grin.
LOL, packing your elk off the mountain is mandatory. Toting a 12-15 lb. rifle is anything but.
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Never had a problem using a rifle with a barrel longer than 26". Few run around the woods with shotguns with 26 or shorter barrels.
It's the hunters that get weak kneed when the pick up a rifle that weighs in between 12 and 15 pounds. It's all mental block. the same hunters will put on a pack with a elk quarter on it and pack it while supporting a big grin. I'll grin with the elk. But a 12-15 pound rifle will not work at all well for virtually any of the western and northern hunting I've done.  Matter of fact, I am certain that some of my biggest and best animals would never have been killed if I had been hampered by a rifle like that.YMMV.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Nice yard...  DF
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Say it taint so Joe. The 264 WM Woodleigh 160gr PPSN at 3261fps runs circles over any 7mm Rem Mag.
I will have to be forgiven for asking.... how one gets 3261 fps from a 160 gr bullet in a 264 WM,when the exact same case will not give that velocity safely when necked up to 7mm?  What charges and how long a barrel does it take to do that? You can't. Optimistic loads with 140s are 3200-3250. I don't see how the 264 runs circles around a 7Rem Mag. I have no issues with the 264 but I have shot some great scores with a 7 mag and 168 Bergers.
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You can't. Optimistic loads with 140s are 3200-3250.
Kind of what I was thinking.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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You can't. Optimistic loads with 140s are 3200-3250.
Kind of what I was thinking. I don't shoot 140gr bullets as the 160gr PPSN at 3261fps will kill any game including Moose. That is the 3 Shot Average through the Chronograph. I am sure I can exceed that with the 140gr bullets if I wanted to shoot them. I do shoot the 130gr JLK VLD bullets and have not pushed them as fast as I can and am over 3200fps with them. Right now I am working on my 338 Federal to try to reach 3000fps with the Barnes 160gr TTSX From my DPMS LR338. That will be faster than the 160gr Barnes 7mm data. Yes it will slow down faster than the 7mm but then I will be using it for 400yards or less.
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You couldn't pay me enough to pull the trigger on a 264 WM pushing 160s at almost 3,300 fps.... That's an absolute pipe-bomb disaster waiting to happen. I'd invest in some chain mail gloves and welding mask if I were you...
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Tanner,
That makes me nervous, too.
The 26 Nos, with 93 gr. H2O case capacity, will push 140's at 3,300, SAAMI pressure. From what I've read and heard, around 3,000 fps is about top speed for 160's in the 26. That's why I'm not going there. I'm thinking the 127 LRX at 3,600 fps may be about optimal, velocity vs. B.C., for the 26. For 160's there's the 7RM.
That may not make sense to a LR target shooter, but looks pretty good to a hunter. My thinking has evolved while working with this round, so it may evolve some more...
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You can't. Optimistic loads with 140s are 3200-3250.
Kind of what I was thinking. I don't shoot 140gr bullets as the 160gr PPSN at 3261fps will kill any game including Moose. That is the 3 Shot Average through the Chronograph. I am sure I can exceed that with the 140gr bullets if I wanted to shoot them. I do shoot the 130gr JLK VLD bullets and have not pushed them as fast as I can and am over 3200fps with them. Right now I am working on my 338 Federal to try to reach 3000fps with the Barnes 160gr TTSX From my DPMS LR338. That will be faster than the 160gr Barnes 7mm data. Yes it will slow down faster than the 7mm but then I will be using it for 400yards or less. OK.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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30" barrel and ++70K PSI it sounds like to me.
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Hodgdon max load of H1000 in 26" barrel yields 2,861 fps at 61,200 PSI
That's and additional 339 fps to get to 3,200 fps at 50 FPS per inch which is probably generous that would require 6.75" more barrel or a combination of more pressure and more barrel.
Doable, yes, wise, not for me.
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I'd invest in some chain mail gloves and welding mask if I were you... Nah, just a new chronograph.
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I'd invest in some chain mail gloves and welding mask if I were you... Nah, just a new chronograph. Sorry but the chronograph is just fine shot a lot of other loads through it The powder is the old H570 that is not made any more. It is over Hornady's max load and does show signs of pressure but still ejects with ease. Recoil is not bad either and is not near as bad as the 7mm Rem Mag.
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