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I should have added that there are many different levels of downs, anywhere from highly functional to barely able to use a fork. My buds kid got sick and reversed a bit, the teacher used to be able to give him a note and he would deliver it to the principal as directed now he wanders the halls because he forgot what he was supposed to do. Makes me sick to know this as I've watched his struggles growing up.

We don't know the level this particular boy is at but being in a regular school would suggest to me he is highly functional and the parents actions would suggest to me he had limitations even though he was highly functional.

Parents of downs kids are different than you and I, they are very in tune to the needs and limits the affliction puts on their child, my bud has corrected me more than once.


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Wilkeshunter, Yes they did. The police knew pretty much as soon as the body was found who did it. The guy had been seen by several people badgering Butch at a convenience store about an hour before his parents called the Piggly Wiggly saying he hadn't arrived home. It took them about 3 days to locate him. He pled guilty to avoid the death penalty and was sentenced to life without parole. The only upside to the whole thing is that when he had been in the prison in Columbia for about 3 months, another prisoner showed up that had been a friend of Butch's family. That coupled with the fact the POS wasn't adapting well earned him an ass-whipping that cost him an eye and partial use of his lower extremities.
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I think only a real cuunt would complain about the kid.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
I must assume that all the misconceptions about downs kids are due to a lack of contact with them. Kids who have downs are very simplistic in many ways, are very loving and tender hearted. I have a bud with a boy who has downs he's 26 now and will graduate school this year. he loves me simply because I pay attention to him.

At work we have some downs kids come and shred documents for us they love the job, just one sheet at a time and they concentrate so hard to do a good job. If I'm around they all want to give me a high five with this great big smile on their face and the depth of love that is in their eyes is almost frightening. I don't know who's day is better for it theirs or mine.

Downs kids are very limited in what they can do, they have to put in so much more effort than you or I just to get through the day. I got a feeling that kid earned that varsity letter way before he ever met the other kids.


Exactly.

I lettered 3x over in HS. Until this thread, I didn't even recall that. It means that little to me today. To a kid with Down's? Hell, it may be a crowning achievement, and that's not meant as any kind of insult.

Let the kid rejoice; let him have something to have pride in.

JFC, if your life is so tied up in HS letters and who "earns them" or not, especially in a school not your own, or of your own kids, and likely generations removed from when you were in, then you've likely got more problems that the Down's Syndrome kid or his parents simply trying to make the best of it.


I agree. If you stop and think about it this kid with Down's, a subject that is near to me, probably worked harder than many of the kids who played and earned their letter.

I only lettered one year then said the hell with it and went hunting and fishing my myself.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag


Downs kids are very limited in what they can do, they have to put in so much more effort than you or I just to get through the day. I got a feeling that kid earned that varsity letter way before he ever met the other kids.


My high school team had a kid like that as a ball-boy.

He has a letter for his hard work for the team.

Everybody loved that kid.

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No problem with BMT's example, as long as it was agreed upon.

But in this case:

Let's also give the kid a black belt in Kung-Do-Jitsu, cause what the h3ll.

And photoshop him into some pictures climbin Everest with no oxygen.

He needs a world record, or at least a state record, in somethin', while we're at it.

Either the kid has enough sentient function to realize the jacket is BS, or he doesn't.

If he does, this isn't "helping" him.

If he doesn't, it doesn't matter anyway.

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This story reminds me of the Seahawks fans who wear NFL jerseys...............JUST the Seahawks fans.


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
If I had been an athlete in that school, abd earned my letter, and wete yo see this going on. I'd give the kid my jacket.

It's an article of clothing, a token, the same as the awards and trophies I won. They held no sentiment to me. I read the article and it brought a sense of belonging to this kid. Let him wear the jacket. In my experience letters and trophies only really matter to has been parents
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Originally Posted by Fubarski
No problem with BMT's example, as long as it was agreed upon.

But in this case:

Let's also give the kid a black belt in Kung-Do-Jitsu, cause what the h3ll.

And photoshop him into some pictures climbin Everest with no oxygen.

He needs a world record, or at least a state record, in somethin', while we're at it.

Either the kid has enough sentient function to realize the jacket is BS, or he doesn't.

If he does, this isn't "helping" him.

If he doesn't, it doesn't matter anyway.


Yes, because getting a letter is such an achievement.

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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
I never have been a fan of main streaming Downs Syndrome kids. I know that is not a popular view point but............

If the kid did not earn the letter, he should not get one. His parents are to blame.


I wasnt either until I have been around 3, spanning a pretty long while, who really did quite well in a mainstream school. More importantly, the OTHER kids learned a lot. Often the LRE law goes too far, but i guess the spectrum of Downs (and other) can factor in. It isnt all the same.



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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Originally Posted by 12344mag
I must assume that all the misconceptions about downs kids are due to a lack of contact with them. Kids who have downs are very simplistic in many ways, are very loving and tender hearted. I have a bud with a boy who has downs he's 26 now and will graduate school this year. he loves me simply because I pay attention to him.

At work we have some downs kids come and shred documents for us they love the job, just one sheet at a time and they concentrate so hard to do a good job. If I'm around they all want to give me a high five with this great big smile on their face and the depth of love that is in their eyes is almost frightening. I don't know who's day is better for it theirs or mine.

Downs kids are very limited in what they can do, they have to put in so much more effort than you or I just to get through the day. I got a feeling that kid earned that varsity letter way before he ever met the other kids.


+1 good post


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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Originally Posted by JOG
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That's not correct anymore, at least not around here. While the game time needed to letter in sports probably hasn't changed much, the opportunity to letter in something has drastically increased. A student can letter in choir, theater (including sets, etc.), academics, and even some types of volunteer hours, and the list goes on.


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I work in a very high achieving district. All league individual and team honors are expected, and All county & all state are frequent. even at this highly competitive school, if you dont letter in your 4 years, you didnt try. Band, Debate, theater.. You got it. LOTS of opportunity.




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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Ok, now that I've got things going on who has to earn what...

You work your tail off getting that big public land wall hanger elk & pack it out 3 miles on your back. Your neighbor goes on a canned hunt and gets one just as good but he shoots it from the back of a pickup in a fenced pasture. He buys his.
Is there a difference?


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JHC!!! What is lettering anyway, but participating in high school sports. This douche of a principal has probably never had ANY experiences out of the academic setting, school - college -back to school.

"They're not all good enough to win a letter"??? Really? My high school team went 1-7 my senior year. We all got letters. Nobody, including me, cared then or now.

Talk about peaking in high school fer chrissake.


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Oh for cryin' outloud, the kid's done the best he can. All he wants is to be a part of something, and the principal won't allow that? WTF!? The kid can't possibly compete for that letter evenly with non-challenged kids. Cut the kid some slack, let him have some happiness, and find something, anything, more important than this to biatch about. To those here who agree with the principal, man you've got some serious issues.


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I see nothing wrong with him wearing it and if something as small as that might bring him and his family some extra happiness through all of their tough times, I'm all for it.


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I'm not a fan of everyone gets a trophy..But on this deal I could really care less..Pretty sure my attitude would be the same back in HS.I lettered in fooball and wrestling as a sophomore.in the grans scheme of things,its not a real memorable accomplishment..

Didnt wear my jacket much at all..As alluded to by Steelhead, LJ's were used to identify who was really "scoring"..

Now if a chick shows up wearing the DS kids jacket, then people will really have something to talk about smile

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I'm an educator. Like any profession, you have a small percentage of idiots in education.

The principal in this story is one of those.

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