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Here is my rule #1 as regards the Ackley Improved cartridges: They are obsolete, offering nothing that a standard factory cartridge will do, and with a lot less hassle.

Currently I have three Ackley's in the safe:

.257 Roberts Ackley - the only one that really produces a bit more velocity, if only the most accurate loads were above what the standard case can do.

.22-250 Ackley - even have custom chamber matched hydraulic forming dies. Thing kills every squirrel I point it at, but best accuracy is at 3,585 fps with a 50 grain varmint Grenade - the extra capacity isn't needed.

.35-348 Ackley - just a stunt for Siamese Mauser actions, duplicates the .350 Remington Magnum with extra steps of fire forming, etc..

Today we have many more cartridges available, and a tremendous selection of powders that Ackley could only have dreamed about. Going to all that work is a waste of time, but the cases still look cool.

I prefer the triple deuce myself...

Dangler,

You poor poor CLUELESS Boob.

Efficient case design is the last thing that will become "obsolete". The schittiest case design in a given diameter,is assuredly NOT that bore sizing's Trump Card. Hint.

1) Do tell about your Better Bob and wax eloquent on the receiver,COAL,spout selection(Make/twist),stutter something about it's throat and then mention bullets...if only for copious oblivious humor. Do tell about base/rings/glass too. Laughing!

Then dangle a picture of the piece of schit. Dare ya'!

2) Kudos on gunning a 22-250AI at near OEM SAAMI 223 levels. THAT is some fhuqking seriously funny schit! I've this hunch that ALL of my 22-250AI's(better than a half dozen) would happily crack 4000fps with 50's and bughole same. Though I happen to dote upon the 75A-Max at 3500fps,in said chambering. Hint.

1-7.7" Krieger 22-250AI 75SN at 3400fps+(lotsa bearing surface and stubborn obturation). Though the A-Max STEALS the Show. Re-hint.

400yds+ and single poke.



Pard's 1st Gen Ti 22-250AI contour/length duped in 3-grooved 1-8" 75'Max at 3500fps from last year.

400yds+ and single poke.



Again...take humor to the next level and cite the particulars of that POS and dangle a pic to boot.

Re-dare ya'!


Do tell how pulling a trigger adds ohhhhh soooooooooo much extra "work". There are NO extry steps at the press either,assuming one isn't a Drooling Dumbfhuck. Hint.

I'd hang a video of a 223AI with 3700fps+ 50's at 500yds+,gunning eggs...but them facts would be mean. Laughing!

You "hard chargers" REALLY get after it and "know" your stuff.

Wow +P+!

Good talk!

Cheer up,I just might happen to gun a couple/few more Improved chamberings.

Laughing!.........................










'BR,

Happiness is rebarreling a Deuce to 223,or better yet 223AI and flingin' 75A-Max. Though it's easy for me to say,if only because I got 'em all.

Hint...................(grin)

What powder are you using pushing those 75s?

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How hot can you get 50's in a SAAMI 223?

3,500?

How much diff in powder from 222 to 223 when loading heavies to box length?

'rZ,

Which chambering are you citing,in your query?

I shoot more than a few.

Hint................










SuperKchunt,

Nawwwww...MUCH cooler than that.

I'll feign my "surprise",that even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,knows better than to muse ANY "particulars".

Bless your heart................










16'

Published SAAMI 223 Data that yields 3500fps with a 50grainer,is both easily sourced and replicated.

Hint.....................










'BR,

The Deuce cain't begin to hang,even in AR P-Mag trite confines. That pill is bitter to many,but Reality is rather unforgiving.

I've suffered multiple Deuces in 700's and Sako's both,all of which sucked heavy ass in comparison to a 223. Have of course had multiple versions of same in 223,to extrapolate. Have of course had even more in 223AI. Hint.

Hell...I fling 75's at 2750fps in a SAAMI 223 18" Krunchenticker,though my preference is Stoner S/S mags(for more than a few reasons and one of 'em is COAL latitude). 'Course,lotsa folks lean on things harder than I do,but that is where I like to run 'em in said platform.

A Sako Deuce is about the biggest piece of schit going,due both twist rate and mag constraints...along with the living handle and CM spout. Though in fairness,I shoot more than a smidge and weigh attributes that fly over most heads. Tough not to love 500pcs of brass delivered,for under 40 clams a pop.

Pass the Montucky and hold the fluff. Kiss,find pressure and rock on.

Montucky 223AI,OEM barrel setback and punched. Fireform 50gr loads at the 100yd line,confirming come-ups for a 225yd zero...with 1000+ MOA dumped in the erector,between pokes. (2) lots of ammo,with different powders.





Yet another.



21" 223AI and the "dreaded" case forming and loss of Precision. In nice conditions,it'll shoot under 1-1/2" at the 500yd line,with 50's at 3700fps+.




Damn top heavy Montuckies anyways!

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Laughing!

Now SuperKchunt will have even more pictures for her album..................

Sorry, .223AI. Just built one on the cheap and was looking for bullet/powder combos to start with.

Nice shooting Stick. My former 223s never impressed but all 222s and a 221 bug holed. Perhaps a K or T would change my mind.

L-461 seems right for MkIV

I was running R15 with the 75s in my 223 AI. IIRC that's what Stick is running too....

Mine likes lever evolution.

I know he has been gunning a lot with LEVERevolution powder.

My rule #1 about AI cartridges: They're anywhere from a small step up to a big step up (the ones I shoot are a definite step up), an easy win-win, a performance gimme.

If Ackleys are a hassle and "all that work," you're doing it wrong. If your .257AI isn't producing 25-06 velocity, you're doing it wrong. If your 22-250AI accuracy load is only 3585 and not 500 or more fps faster, you haven't a clue about this cartridge. Blame your own ineptitude.

Not only "right", it's perfect. The 461 works like it was designed for a 221 case.

'Z,

'335 is a looonnnggggggg term default and I can shoot 26grs,in a R/P formed case with 400's and a moly A-Max smooch in all of mine.

The 75A-Max has no equal.

Hint...............










'BR,

The second schittiest boltgun I've ever owned was a POS Winny PF XTR 223 and it wouldn't Agg. much better than most of my Mini-14's(multiple generations). Never had a 700 not dazzle. A TikTac 1-8" 223 was a full blown piece of fhuqking schit too. Though in fairness my Sako TRG-S 30-378 was THE fhuqking turd of the Century and I'm still trying to get the smell off my hands a decade later!

A typical Krunchenticker wearing a FF tube,will routinely blow minds. 75 Hornie HPBT here.



DPMS Sportical here,Delta ring tossed and Hogue FF added. R/P hulls,400's,Re-10x,moly 50 Zombie,yada,yada.




Baby Sakos have less than ZERO luster,with a Montucky on the scene....................










'303,

Though I've shot over 500 pounds of Re-15,I never could like it in my 223's or 223AI's. It bridges too easily and won't make the speed of other flavors.

I've shot 128 pounds of '2200(old GOOD lot,slower than '335) in .378" boltfaces.

Still hearing good things about '335......................(grin)










'85,

The Squealer digests R/P hulls,400's,moly 75A-Max smooches in fireforming fodder at 3030fps,ala LeverEvolution.





It don't suck....................










'stalker,

Heard that rumor myself.....................










'mam,

The Bob sucks ass. The Better Bob sucks ass. In fact...all things on the fhuqking Times Fifty-Seven Mouser hull sucks ass.

This rifle was originally a Bob,I punched it Better Bob,then set it back and punched it 25-284. The 25-284 blows the works outta the water in all avenues,including COAL latitude,Precision and Ooooomph. 'Course it's easy for me to say,because I've got all the T-shirts. Hint.

Slapping around 400yd steel with my 24" 25-284 and flying ashtrays(90gr HPGK's),which suck serious ass(bought 5000 for caseforming,on a Midway bowout). Hint.




For conversation,the '284 is a bit more than a touch Improved,right outta the fhuqking gate. Hint.

My 22" 25-284.



My 23" 25-284.

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6-284 is where it's at,with 105's at 3350fps in a S/A. It's everything my 6mmRemAI wishes it could be.

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It's never been tough to cypher who actually shoots a smidge.

Hint......................











'bore,

Take it easy on Dangler and her 50gr 22-250AI load,amassed with "all" her "knowledge","experience" and "results"...she's simply doing the best she can,with what incredibly fhuqking little she has to work with.

You obliviously make a good point,in that the 75'Max has no equal. With but 26grs of powder it'll make 3150fps and with a Litz default,drifts but 42" at the 700yd line and arrives same at 1700fps. 1500yd full value wind is but 5.1Mils and the drop but 21.3 Mils.

I reckon it plum handy,to gun things side by each,rather than fixate charts...though Chartin' is the best some can do.

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Pass the 75A-Max 225yd zero and sub 35" 500yd drop too. Even with only 126.5 MOA remaining on the erector.

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Hint................

500 lbs of RE15! Awestriking! .... I'm still working on finding some.

Thanks alot for all the pics and helpful info. Makes me want to have another 223AI built.

Stick, had a Deuce 222 in BDL sporter and a 788, both bugholed, yet a VLS 223 would barely crack 1/2, often 5/8 like a Howa Sporter. Btw, owned a M70 HB, Coyote? Seriously one of the WORST rifles ever, shot 2-3" - major issues in bore near muzzle. No patience to send in for repair so traded.

Do the K's still come QT?