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When I practice I keep the rifle against my shoulder. With the Weatherby I don't bind the bolt, but with the other rifle I do.

Is there a lube for use on the stainless bolt in the titanium action? Even if I'm the problem of torquing the bolt handle, I still have the problem.

Maybe salt bath nitride treating the bolt body? For sure I need something.

Not 100% sure you can nitride treat a stainless bolt. How about coating the bolt with something like NP3?

Problem is with the Ti receiver. I will have mine done by Blaser with their PVD treatment.

Thanks, guys for the info. I spent a few minutes on BIG and came up with a company that does different types of coatings for different industries, including firearms. I will call them Monday, if the Lord wills, and get the scope. When I get the info, I will post it.

It a real drag being used to my Weatherby which is very nice to use from the shoulder, then switching to a rifle that cost a lot more and being disappointed the first time I started to practice with it.

Pierce action?

John didn't cerakote the bolt?

Yes, the action is a Pierce. I dont' remember him saying anything about that. He did offer to take another 1.5 ounces out of the bolt for an extra "C" note, which I went for since I was already spending a small fortune on this rifle.

Cerakote would be nasty on a bolt in my opinion. Titanium is grabby, it ain't the bolt. I have a friend, Heym dealer in Dallas, that had a Ti rifle and had the PVD coating done to it. You can't believe how slick it is now.
Mine is a Pierce and it is a top quality piece.

Butch,

Who does PVD work on firearms that you would recommend?

Thanks

What do they use for the coating?

Spelled it wrong. Balzers PVD.

http://www.balzers.com/bus/eng/01-p...ogy/02-pvd-process/indexW3DnavidW261.php

I called Pierce this morning. After I told the fellow about the bolt binding when I try to cycle it quickly while holding at my shoulder, he told me to "choke up on the bolt handle." I tried it by lifting the bolt knob with my palm and using my pinkie to draw the bolt back. It worked slick. But when I pushed it back in, it bound.

I will be sending it off to get the coating.

Our Pierce Ti action is Cerakoted fully inside and out by us with 146 black with the bolt in the factory finish. With a couple drops of Tri Flow on the bolt body and Mobil-1 red grease on the lugs it runs slick as can be. Raw titanium is pretty grabby. We haven't even fire formed our first hundred brass yet and the body count is just wracking up. We are killing squirrels with it out to 500 yards with the 150 grain partition fire form loads.

This material in a firearm is to be carried a lot and shot a little. If you are looking for smooth long term durability the traditional non-stainless steel actions are hard to beat.

If ours started grabbing I would Microslick the whole bolt body. I would pull the barrel and be sure to Microslick the lug recesses too.

HiredGun,

I paid Pierce extra for an extra polish on the bolt. What that means is I hope for something good. Does the cerakote stay in the raceways of the bolt? Does it help with lubricity?

What is "Microslick" and do you do it? If you do, what is the turn around time? Do I need to disassemble the rifle or even take the stock off?

Microslick C-110 is a dry film lubricant developed by Cerakote. http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/resources/files/testing/Friction.pdf
I am a Certified Cerakote applicator. To start I think just doing the bolt should help. It goes on in a bluish gray color. It won't burn any bridges if you want to try something else later. I could get it back in 5 business days. Give me a call and we can go over it.

I have done it for a few board members here. Hopefully one of them could give a brief testimonial.

Put some grease on the bolt instead of throwing money at it

Not to be a smart a$$, but this is what crossed my mind when the OP first posted. Why wouldn't a dab of grease work? I always put a small drop on the back side of my locking lugs.

He did have a good gun grease in it.

Titanium is different, likes to stick and gall. I know that much. Not having worked with the stuff I won't offer any advice beyond for a moly loaded synthetic grease Valvoline Synpower is very good. It's much like Brownell's Action Lube II. Viscosity stable over a wide temperature range, doesn't pick up dust like a common grease, made for extreme pressure, and the moly gives it an anti-seize quality.

Google is your friend. Here's a quick hit or two on the topic:

http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=2617

http://www.stle.org/resources/articledetails.aspx?did=1631

Damn I'd like to say that moly (molybdenum disulphide) or PTFE (Teflon) is the answer but I just don't know.

Picked up my Pierce from HiredGun a couple hours ago. I don't know what he put in the action and on the bolt. Before I took it to him it would bind even with the MOLY-SLICK Paste. Now after putting the paste on it again it is as slick as my Weatherby. While I was at his shop I tried his Weatherby and it was also slick like mine. Maybe its a Mark V thing to be slick when operating the bolt from the shoulder.