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I run amax exclusively as my target bullet and also as a deer dropper when hunting urban.
However, were I to be paying for a hunt I wouldn't use them. Not because they don't work, but because I want to be able to take any distance and angle I get a chance to.
When I'm hunting on my dime and time I can pass if I can't take a head shot.
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Why not use something that will penetrate all the time, not just when you get a perfect hit?


Why not use what you want, and leave it at that?




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I feel sorry for the wounded elk when one blows up under the hide. Use a bullet that'll put it down every time.


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Did you actually read the OP, or just climb straight into your pulpit? Did you notice how the OP qualified his use of this bullet?

Did you perchance see the dead elk?



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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
I feel sorry for the wounded elk when one blows up under the hide. Use a bullet that'll put it down every time.


Yes, amaxs are made with pressed wet glitter.
We tested a few on wet single ply toilet tissue and couldn't get a single one to penetrate.
Going to retry with sunbleached saran wrap.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
From Hornady's web site.
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A-MAX®
Designed by match shooters for match shooters. With an ultra-low drag tip, our A-Max match bullets feature an aerodynamic secant ogive that delivers flat trajectories with excellent uniformity and concentricity. Find out more...

Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
Recommended muzzle velocity range: 2000+ fps.
These bullets are not recommended for hunting.

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Mentioned this in another thread within the past few weeks, but will again now: Over the decades I've seen far more bullets "designed" for big game come apart and fail to penetrate sufficiently than target bullets come apart and fail to penetrate sufficiently.

In fact, I have yet to see a "target" bullet fail in that way, though admittedly none were used for the dreaded rear-end shot that some people seem to think is so common especially for "trophy" hunting. But the so-called big game bullets, suppoedly designed for the job, came apart on pretty normal shots into the shoulders of some deer-sized animals, and so far I haven't seen that happen with any of the target bullets placed in shoulders.

This doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but these results do indicate that just because some company suggests XYZ bullet is suitable for big game doesn't mean it's infallible. Or because they say a certain target bullet isn't meant for big game doesn't mean it won't work well.


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People read to much and think to much. That said use what works for you. I kill a lot of animals with the 178gr A-Max, don't think they would have died any faster if I hit the with a TTSX or partition DRT is dead right there

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Originally Posted by ribka


If I drew a big bull rifle tag I would choose a partition over the amax any day.

Regarding broad head vs bullet. I know they act in completely different ways. We re told in the bow hunting community that you need an arrow approaching 300 FPS per second with expandable broadheads to kill and slow does not work . Well that is a myth too as a heavy arrow ( over 500 grns) with a good sharp COC broad head will easily penetrate well even if it is going a mere 170 to 180 FPS .





If would say a cow elk deserves the same respect. I have also shot some really big cows

The only people I have heard saying you need a 300 fps arrow are the bow manufacturers.

That said, the bullet works IN YOUR HANDS, and it is the right choice for you, but not for me. And IMO not for novice shooters/hunters either.

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Originally Posted by smokepole




So don't use one. The OP didn't try to convince anyone his bullets were "the best," did he? He just posted information on how a particular bullet worked for him, and even included photos. I like reading that kind of information. Doesn't mean I need to run out and buy 123 Amaxes, or tell him why his choice is wrong.
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You post such a thread on an open forum and you will get pushback. Just a fact. Why do I feel the need? Because there are a lot of young impressionable guys out there reading these and I don't want them to think that most guys just agree with what is being said.

You post such on the internet, you have to accept the opposite view. I am happy to read and think about guys opinions like this one, but I have just as much right to post my opinion. His opinion didn't upset me and mine shouldn't you.


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Originally Posted by txhunter58
You post such a thread on an open forum and you will get pushback.


Please tell me which opinions, facts, or points the OP posted that you're "pushing back" on.



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The AMP jackets just add the extra that makes it a strong choice. However...I wouldn't want to spend my limited hunting days pursuing a wounded animal because the lo all do rates that a hit burns a tag.


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Originally Posted by ribka
I have always examined animals after I shoot them when I dress them to see how bullet or broad head performed. From squirrels to moose caribou I have shot.

I noticed deer that I shot with the amax died very quickly ( good thing) and the amax bullet did not explode as most would think even though I hit bone. So I started shooting the amax into cow and elk bones in front of wet phone books.

Penetration seemed good. So opted to use it for this cow elk hunt. You can see from pics the amax performed well and animal died a very quick humane death. The bullet did not explode when it hit the shoulder and rib bones and did exit far side of the animal. I am not advocating that amax are superior to partitions I posted this because the amax and other BT bullets I have taken game with worked quite well and they did not "explode" when they hit bones in the animal. Now based on my experience I would not use the Hornady SST on elk because of personal experience and examine deer I have killed with this bullet. Others may disagree.

If I drew a big bull rifle tag I would choose a partition over the amax any day.

Regarding broad head vs bullet. I know they act in completely different ways. We re told in the bow hunting community that you need an arrow approaching 300 FPS per second with expandable broadheads to kill and slow does not work . Well that is a myth too as a heavy arrow ( over 500 grns) with a good sharp COC broad head will easily penetrate well even if it is going a mere 170 to 180 FPS .





Agreed on the SST. Good post.


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Terminal ballistic research out of new Zealand talks of how surprisingly well the a max bullet preforms.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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You post such a thread on an open forum and you will get pushback.


Please tell me which opinions, facts, or points the OP posted that you're "pushing back" on.


His implied opinion that this is an OK bullet to use on an elk hunt. And his opinion that it is OK to use on a cow, but not on "the bull of the woods". I think in his hands, within the parameters that he talks about, that is true, but want others out there to know that many of us would not consider this bullet to be adequate in our hands for elk hunt with all the uncertainties they bring with them.

That said, if I were 80 yards from an elk that was standing still broadside or slightly quartering away and all I had was the set up he used, would I hesitate. Not a second. But on that same elk hunt, if a cow presented at 250 yards with a not so ideal angle, I would have to let her walk with that bullet. He pretty much said that exact thing. My point is that with a different bullet, you would not have to pass on the second shot, so why would I take a bullet that I consider has limitations?

I'm confused, did you expect only like minded guys who agree with him to respond?

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Originally Posted by Angus1895
Terminal ballistic research out of new Zealand talks of how surprisingly well the a max bullet preforms.


Could be that the bullet is built better than the company claims it is. Hey, before the nosler, millions upon millions of animals died to bullets LESS well built than the A-max.

And the self testing with bones is pretty impressive too.


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Originally Posted by txhunter58
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You post such a thread on an open forum and you will get pushback.


Please tell me which opinions, facts, or points the OP posted that you're "pushing back" on.


His implied opinion that this is an OK bullet to use on an elk hunt. And his opinion that it is OK to use on a cow, but not on "the bull of the woods". I think in his hands, within the parameters that he talks about, that is true, but want others out there to know that many of us would not consider this bullet to be adequate in our hands for elk.


With his results, and the limitations he stated I'm not sure how you can argue with anything he said. His opinion was not implied, it was clearly stated that he thinks the bullet is OK for short range double-lung rib shots on cow-sized animals. And he showed the proof to back it up. How many animals have you shot with these bullets?

And you're putting your own spin on what he said about using a different bullet for bulls; he also qualified that by using the word "big."

As in, a bigger animal may need a stouter bullet. Big bulls are bigger than big cows. It has nothing to do with how you spun it, and everything to do with the size of the animal.



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Said my piece and we will never agree, so I agree to disagree. More than one way to "kill an elk"


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Have any of you ever said/thought "if I had a (?) magnum or (?) premium bullet I would take the shot, but since I only have (?) I won't".

Not me, I've either had a good shot or I didn't.

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