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Originally Posted by bobski
12's are superior in the fact that they will outlast anything out there today. they were made with steel.


So was the Winchester Super X model 1, the semi auto version of the model 12. I shoot a summer 5-stand league and brought one of my Super X's up for a 14 year old to shoot. He ran out of shells so the club manager had spare ammo but said my Super X would not likely eject his 3/4 oz 12 gauge reloads.

I said the shotgun would feed his light reloads...he said it wouldn't. Of course the Super X did with out a hiccup. Gotta love the old Winchesters.

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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..




The Rem 870 is about as trouble "Free" as any shotgun ever produced.

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model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..




The Rem 870 is about as trouble "Free" as any shotgun ever produced.

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Huge difference between the old Wingmasters and the newer 870s, it's like comparing the Model 12s and the Model 1200s. Not even close so even though Remington kept the 870 designation the "rolling along" ended some years back.


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model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..




The Rem 870 is about as trouble "Free" as any shotgun ever produced.

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Huge difference between the old Wingmasters and the newer 870s, it's like comparing the Model 12s and the Model 1200s. Not even close so even though Remington kept the 870 designation the "rolling along" ended some years back.


I absolutely agree. My 870's have the silver spoon lifters so I know their well built.

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I just found this forum. If you're talking Model 12's, I'm in! They have been my passion for 35 years!


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I would like one in 28ga.

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I would like one in 28ga.



The M-12 in 28 gauge has always been the classic gauge to own. Yet for the $3,500 to $5,000 and up I would rather have a sporting Caesar Guerini in 28 gauge with 32 inch barrels.

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never been a big fan. Seems whenever either i or someone else shows that it breaks down it never seems to go back together correctly.


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Certainly not as easy as an 870 to put back together, but do it a couple times and it isn't that hard. In addition there are some directional arrows to help along with paying minimal attention when you break it down. The Model 12 also has the ability to adjust head space in case one would shoot it enough to cause that much wear.


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As much as i like the Model 12 my favorite is the Win Model 97


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97's cut your knuckles. thats why they invented the model 12, from all the 97 complaints.


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remember you 16ga owners, early m12 16ga guns were 2 9/16" chambers. have a smith check them before you feed them 2 3/4" shells!


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I use nothing but B&P 2.5 inch in my early Model 12 16 ga. It was in the 1930's if I'm not mistaken when Win started cutting the 2 & 3/4 16 ga Chambers


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The change occurred in 1926-1927.

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You are right it was around 1927 when they started the longer chamber in the 16 ga.


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I have maybe 8-10 M12s. My current grouse gun is a 16 built out of parts. I think about half a dozen guns made contributions to the finished gun. I had a barrel with a potato on the end that I swapped for an old solid rib skeet 1 barrel. I got an unpopulated receiver from a guy from Iowa, I don't remember where the magazine came from. The rest of the metal parts were just picked up here and there over a few years. The stock came from a guy who just happened to have a gorgeous piece of the old Herters wood that was very well figured and a very rich chocolate color. I got a color matching fore arm from a place n Missouri. I am still adjusting it to fit me exactly the way I want.

I have a 1913 16 with a solid rib that's all original. I have a '30s vintage 16 that's beat to hell that will get restored. I have a 40's vintage 16 that's been cobbled together, sand blasted and reblued that I don't have a clue what to do with, but it's tight and shoots well. Whoever did the work understood M-12s.

There's a couple three 12 gauges, one of which I bought with a thumb hole stock just to spare it the indignity of heavng to wear that thing.

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One of the favorites in my collection is an all original 20 gauge with a very early serial number. Most likely produced in the first week of production. I was thinking that the 16 gauge guns weren't sold until 1914. Does your gun have a serial number below 32,000?


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I somehow managed to buy a neighbors old firearm collection including a number of Model 12's, old ones. They are cool old guns. The collection includes a heavy duck, a 16 gauge plain barrel and best of all, an honest to God first year production (1937) Model 12, 28 gauge field. The 28 gauge is really cool, very lightly used, all original unaltered, no Cutts, it's absolutely cherry and not a fake. I'm going to sell it, I just don't have a use for it, going to keep the others, buy my wife something nice.

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That's going to make somebody very happy!


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Originally Posted by Alaskajim
I somehow managed to buy a neighbors old firearm collection including a number of Model 12's, old ones. They are cool old guns. The collection includes a heavy duck, a 16 gauge plain barrel and best of all, an honest to God first year production (1937) Model 12, 28 gauge field. The 28 gauge is really cool, very lightly used, all original unaltered, no Cutts, it's absolutely cherry and not a fake. I'm going to sell it, I just don't have a use for it, going to keep the others, buy my wife something nice.



Keep the 28 gauge...sell the rest..

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