"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Here another one of my favorite Model 12 photos. This one is my nightstand gun I put together at the shop on afternoon. Sent several loads of "blue whistlers" thru these porkers one night. Went totally Guadacanal on them from behind som prickly pear!
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
A model 12 16ga. was my hearts desire when I was getting my first shotgun... Begged my folks for one for Xmas.. No luck.. Later I lusted after a m12 12ga. mod. choke.. My dad talked me into something else. Sorry I didn't pick one up..Then the price of model 12's skyrocketed and I never did own either.. Probably never will.. Did have one with a PolyChoke.. Had it for a about 4 years.. Presently, I only own one.. A solid rib 3" heavy duck.. I often hunt turkey with it or duck with Bismuth.. A fine old gun.. It with my old 870, model 31, and model 97 are my favorites..
Theirs lots of them around, art least around here. I love the 16 bore M-12 but prefer the older ones and ejection issues are common as the chamber is 2 3/4 but the ejection ports are of the smaller variety. Its an easy fix though.
Im on the hunt for one myself.
It�s a magazine not a clip......
Advice is seldom welcome, and those who need it the most, like it the least.� - Lord Chesterfield. 1750
Who doesn't like a model 12? What great shotguns, along with the Ithaca 37.
I think that the most common "old school" shotguns here in Nebraska are Browning A5s, Remington 11s, and Winchester 12s. Who doesn't like Model 12s? OTOH, I instantly developed a strong dislike for Model 1897s after chopping a chunk of flesh out of my right thumb the first time I cycled the action.
I've had several but last fall I picked up a field grade plain barrel in 12 ga. ,26" Imp Cyl choke in the 99x,xxx range. the open choked ones don't seem to be very common. 1 st round of low gun skeet was a 23, I think it will be at home here for awhile. Magnum Man
I've just come into a pair of old,family Model 12's, a 16 gauge 26 inch full choke and 12 gauge 30 inch full choke. The 12 gauge is from 1925 about and the 16 from 1917 or so. I'm assuming duck hunting is out, unless I could find some Bismuth shot loads, but trap or bird loads with lead should be OK, am I correct? They been checked out by a 'smith for fit and function, and seem OK. Owned an 870 in my youth for ducks, birds and trap, shot lead everywhere prior to the toxic ban. A little leary of pulling the trigger without asking. They've been sitting in the safe for about 5years now and thought I'd get them out and work 'em.
Do I 'like' Model 12s? Sure. Do I think that they are a whole lot superior to other pump-guns of their era? Not so much. But then I like all of the old pre-war pumps.
I myself have been known to own only model 12's. And like yours, I like the plain barrel, though I have a soft spot for my solid ribs. Your bluing is getting thin, but not as thin as mine. I take great pride in the fact I wore that bluing off while in pursuit of birds.
I have a 12 ga and a 42 , if that counts. I'm on the look out for a 20 or 16 ( or both ) to pare off a bit of weight.
One of my dear friends, an old west Texas sheriff, used the same 16 ga, if we were chasing crooks or quail.
Jack
"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero
in 2014 I got a 1920 Model 12 12 gauge for $120 at a gun show. I could not talk the guy down one cent. He was firm. I have not shot it yet.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..
My uncle bought a Model 12 Trap new in 1947. It was sold t my dad in the mid 50s and passed to me in the 60s. Despite having a couple of Beretta Xtremas, I still take it out for ducks every season. I love that old scattergun, I feel my Dad and Uncle close by every time I pull the trigger.
12's are superior in the fact that they will outlast anything out there today. they were made with steel.
So was the Winchester Super X model 1, the semi auto version of the model 12. I shoot a summer 5-stand league and brought one of my Super X's up for a 14 year old to shoot. He ran out of shells so the club manager had spare ammo but said my Super X would not likely eject his 3/4 oz 12 gauge reloads.
I said the shotgun would feed his light reloads...he said it wouldn't. Of course the Super X did with out a hiccup. Gotta love the old Winchesters.
model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..
The Rem 870 is about as trouble "Free" as any shotgun ever produced.
model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..
The Rem 870 is about as trouble "Free" as any shotgun ever produced.
Doc
Huge difference between the old Wingmasters and the newer 870s, it's like comparing the Model 12s and the Model 1200s. Not even close so even though Remington kept the 870 designation the "rolling along" ended some years back.
model 12's are great I have only one now.. they were in production what ?? 52 years?? The 870 has been rolling along for 65 years.. I have had less trouble with my 870's than my model 12's..
The Rem 870 is about as trouble "Free" as any shotgun ever produced.
Doc
Huge difference between the old Wingmasters and the newer 870s, it's like comparing the Model 12s and the Model 1200s. Not even close so even though Remington kept the 870 designation the "rolling along" ended some years back.
I absolutely agree. My 870's have the silver spoon lifters so I know their well built.
The M-12 in 28 gauge has always been the classic gauge to own. Yet for the $3,500 to $5,000 and up I would rather have a sporting Caesar Guerini in 28 gauge with 32 inch barrels.
Certainly not as easy as an 870 to put back together, but do it a couple times and it isn't that hard. In addition there are some directional arrows to help along with paying minimal attention when you break it down. The Model 12 also has the ability to adjust head space in case one would shoot it enough to cause that much wear.
I use nothing but B&P 2.5 inch in my early Model 12 16 ga. It was in the 1930's if I'm not mistaken when Win started cutting the 2 & 3/4 16 ga Chambers
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
I have maybe 8-10 M12s. My current grouse gun is a 16 built out of parts. I think about half a dozen guns made contributions to the finished gun. I had a barrel with a potato on the end that I swapped for an old solid rib skeet 1 barrel. I got an unpopulated receiver from a guy from Iowa, I don't remember where the magazine came from. The rest of the metal parts were just picked up here and there over a few years. The stock came from a guy who just happened to have a gorgeous piece of the old Herters wood that was very well figured and a very rich chocolate color. I got a color matching fore arm from a place n Missouri. I am still adjusting it to fit me exactly the way I want.
I have a 1913 16 with a solid rib that's all original. I have a '30s vintage 16 that's beat to hell that will get restored. I have a 40's vintage 16 that's been cobbled together, sand blasted and reblued that I don't have a clue what to do with, but it's tight and shoots well. Whoever did the work understood M-12s.
There's a couple three 12 gauges, one of which I bought with a thumb hole stock just to spare it the indignity of heavng to wear that thing.
One of the favorites in my collection is an all original 20 gauge with a very early serial number. Most likely produced in the first week of production. I was thinking that the 16 gauge guns weren't sold until 1914. Does your gun have a serial number below 32,000?
Deadlines and commitments, what to leave in, what to leave out...
I somehow managed to buy a neighbors old firearm collection including a number of Model 12's, old ones. They are cool old guns. The collection includes a heavy duck, a 16 gauge plain barrel and best of all, an honest to God first year production (1937) Model 12, 28 gauge field. The 28 gauge is really cool, very lightly used, all original unaltered, no Cutts, it's absolutely cherry and not a fake. I'm going to sell it, I just don't have a use for it, going to keep the others, buy my wife something nice.
I somehow managed to buy a neighbors old firearm collection including a number of Model 12's, old ones. They are cool old guns. The collection includes a heavy duck, a 16 gauge plain barrel and best of all, an honest to God first year production (1937) Model 12, 28 gauge field. The 28 gauge is really cool, very lightly used, all original unaltered, no Cutts, it's absolutely cherry and not a fake. I'm going to sell it, I just don't have a use for it, going to keep the others, buy my wife something nice.
My wife bought me my grandpas Model 12 for Christmas. He bought it new in 1958 and it's only had a few boxes shot through it. Last Sunday it had a couple more shells go through it on wild Kansas roosters.