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Here's an interesting "thought experiment."

Suppose they passed a law stating:

1. It is illegal to use any caliber rifle for big game except 30-06. "Big game" means up to and including Cape Buffalo and Moose.

2. It is illegal to use any bullet except the 180 grain Nosler Partition, the 150 grain Sierra Game King, or any 220 grain round nose. H4350 is the only legal powder if you hand load.

3. It is illegal to shoot said rifle from a bench except for 25 shots per year. No limit on practice from field positions.

4. To buy a hunting license, it is required to dry fire at least one hour per week for 52 weeks.

5. For elephant, it is illegal to use any cartridge except the .375 H&H with 300 grain bullets.

I'm betting that, if such a law were passed, the success on big game would improve and perhaps fewer hunters would be injured by dangerous game.


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Sounds OK to me.

Most of the people on here would need deep therapy. smile





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Sounds great if you like stupid laws. Living in a state with plenty, I'll pass on more.

But why an '06?

.308 could do it all with less. Then again, a .260...

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Coming from a state that recently passed legislation that:
1. classified bb guns as firearms
2. considers a crossbow a muzzleloader
3. says you can use a 10 shot clip so long as you only put 7 rounds in it
4. made it illegal to bring your trophy buck from Pennsylvania back to NY for mounting
5. made it illegal to sit in an elevated stand with a young hunter....
I think you must be insane to ask for additional regulations and expect them to be rational. I'm not sure it should even be joked about.


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Pass a rule that grumpy old guys with Savage 99 in their handle could only hunt deer with a 5.56 AR-15.

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I already meet your criteria.

I don't know that means I can't qualify as a "rifle looney" though. I like single shot 30-06s, wood stock/blued 30-06s, synthetic stocked/stainless 30-06s...

I am definitely not a chambering looney though. I gave a newish 25-06 that I haven't blooded yet. My plans for this year include hunting with my 30-06 again.

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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
Pass a rule that grumpy old guys with Savage 99 in their handle could only hunt deer with a 5.56 AR-15.

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That's just UNFAIR!


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Here's an interesting "thought experiment."

Suppose they passed a law stating:

1. It is illegal to use any caliber rifle for big game except 30-06. "Big game" means up to and including Cape Buffalo and Moose.

2. It is illegal to use any bullet except the 180 grain Nosler Partition, the 150 grain Sierra Game King, or any 220 grain round nose. H4350 is the only legal powder if you hand load.

3. It is illegal to shoot said rifle from a bench except for 25 shots per year. No limit on practice from field positions.

4. To buy a hunting license, it is required to dry fire at least one hour per week for 52 weeks.

5. For elephant, it is illegal to use any cartridge except the .375 H&H with 300 grain bullets.

I'm betting that, if such a law were passed, the success on big game would improve and perhaps fewer hunters would be injured by dangerous game.


I Imagine Diane, Nancy, and Harry will get right on that for you.


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Originally Posted by fishdog52

... I'm not sure it should even be joked about.


Yeah, they don't need any more ideas!!


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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Sounds OK to me.

Most of the people on here would need deep therapy. smile


Yep, they's wake up screaming at nite, having nightmares... shocked

You can't cure Loonyism like that, it would just exacerbate the condition, turning semi-sane sufferers into screaming maniacs... grin

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Sounds OK to me.

Most of the people on here would need deep therapy. smile


New laws are usually expensive for somebody. I can't afford therapy! Not with all the money I spend on all these different bullets...


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Here's an interesting "thought experiment."

Suppose they passed a law stating:

1. It is illegal to use any caliber rifle for big game except 30-06. "Big game" means up to and including Cape Buffalo and Moose.

2. It is illegal to use any bullet except the 180 grain Nosler Partition, the 150 grain Sierra Game King, or any 220 grain round nose. H4350 is the only legal powder if you hand load.

3. It is illegal to shoot said rifle from a bench except for 25 shots per year. No limit on practice from field positions.

4. To buy a hunting license, it is required to dry fire at least one hour per week for 52 weeks.

5. For elephant, it is illegal to use any cartridge except the .375 H&H with 300 grain bullets.

I'm betting that, if such a law were passed, the success on big game would improve and perhaps fewer hunters would be injured by dangerous game.




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Some folks are missing the point I think. smile

The "law" wasn't the central theme of Indy's post...he only mentioned the law as an imaginary situation under which everyone was compelled to use two cartridges,the 30/06 and 375 with simple optics and forced to practice.Eliminate the useless gack that goes on with magic cartridges and bullets,and imaginary "LR" shots,etc..

Put the emphasis on hunting, and the development of personal skill sets with a rifle that are useful in the field instead of worrying incessantly about theoretical issues and just learn how to shoot straight in the field.

I think his point was that many rifle nuts tend to over think things that really don't matter a hoot in the hunting fields,and lose focus on the important stuff.

That was the central theme; the mention of the law was a red herring.




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The "law" is biased and discriminates against anorexic and fat bullets. smile

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Avoid extremes. wink




The 280 Remington is overbore.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Avoid extremes. wink

Now, Bob.

You know that won't work here on the Fire... laugh

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The law is definitely whacked, but can I use a 270 instead of a 30-06? grin

I think you could get rid of the caliber restrictions and implement the practice regimen and have the same results.

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I'm betting that, if such a law were passed, the success on big game would improve and perhaps fewer hunters would be injured by dangerous game.


As we like to argue and pick apart the minutia of various cartridges and bullets on the fire. Ultimately, shot placement trumps a lot of discussions.



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Originally Posted by CRS
Ultimately, shot placement trumps a lot of discussions.


As do Partitions and 30-06's.


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It was an interesting thought experiment for about 2 1/2 seconds until cynicism/skepticism kicked in.. the list of amendments on said law would likely look something like this:
1) Rifle loony lobby would attach wording to allow same, but only with the cartridge of their choosing.
2) Anti's would limit law to spring powered single shot bean bag guns only, with an orange tip and no "thing that goes up" on the stock
3) The critter huggers would want velcro tipped foam bullets, so no animals would be harmed.
4) The tree huggers would throw in with the critter huggers as long as said bullets were non carcinogenic, bio-degradible and/or edible, and preferably made from recycled materials.
5) .gov would undoubtedly put a nice safe speed limit on them of around 140-180 FPS. In lieu of the now unnecessary tax stamp for suppressors, the will allow the new option of foam wrapping and velcro coating a rock of less than 16 oz., as long a you fill out the necessary paperwork, go through the waiting period,have a serial number on said rock, and buy a tax stamp for $500. No collecting surplus rocks from federal land either (they're not in that business anymore you know, and ABSOLUTELY no green tipped rocks)
6) Dry firing is mandatory and must be documented by a fed. certified instructor who will issue a certificate for a "reasonable" fee.

Cynicism toggle off. smile

I need another cup of coffee.

While I don't disagree with the premise of more practice, and do you really truly need more than one rifle to do the job on the vast majority of big game at least in N.A. (no, not really), any kind of "law" only opens things up to people who know how to manipulate them, and only restricts those who do know squat about the subject.
On to the next topic... If we all had only XXX vehicle to drive, could only use regular or mid grade, and practiced a lot..in our driveway...we'd all be better drivers smile

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