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Lets put em in a mini14 group all alone for score/size parts... that should make it more even.

I could give mine a whirl...assuming I can find all the parts for it

I just wish more people would shoot.

I just barely beat a thunderstorm so my pictures are not ideal but I got the minimum to get this done. I'm going to re-shoot the challenge with irons tomorrow and I'll update the pictures.

1) Picture of rifle and setup (no pic of setup due to race to beat the rain but I shot prone at the firing line off bipod with Red Tac 1/2Pint rear bag):


2) Picture of 100 yard range (this picture is old, the berms are now on the left side but I will take a new pic tomorrow when I shoot the iron sight group):



3) Picture of target (optics) or targets (irons) with 20 rounds through them. (place calipers or ruler laying over one group for reference): I shot the target on the right first, the target on the left second


4) Description of rifle and ammo used.
Rifle: Barnes Precision BPM-15 with new BP 18" mid to replace the 16" I wore out. I took the A2 hider off of it and installed a BE Myers hider I had on my bench. Only other mod from stock is the Geissele SSA trigger.

Optic: Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm G2 in LaRue mount that one of my guys bought recently and I have for testing right now

Bipod: Atlas

Ammo: I had 44 rounds of 69gn Nosler CC loaded over 24gn RL15 in Federal brass, lit by CCI BR-4. These were rounds I had left over from the first barrel I had on this gun. Never shot them before today in this barrel. They hit just low and left of where the 77gn bullets it's zeroed for hit. I will use the last 24 to zero the irons on the gun and shoot the iron sight target with a sling.

5) For optics, list your group sizes and the average. For Iron sights, please list the group size and score:

Group 1: .820" or .783 MOA
Group 2: .895 or .854 MOA
Average: .858" or .819 MOA

I'll be shooting at least two more sets of targets.
One going from a 7 power to a 20 power, and one with iron sights which should be interesting.
I just had cataract surgery in both eyes !!

Right now the wind has been 10 to 20 mph for days.
Can't even get out fishing on Lake Erie

I'm gonna shoot irons too but I'm in Oklahoma and we're getting flooded again. Lake Texhoma is gonna go over the spillway this weekend in spite of them releasing water. I was at Eufaula Lake dam yesterday watching the water being released from the locks and the water is still 15' above normal.

We've had over 14" of rain this month and more in other places.

I broke out the Ruger Mini 14 today and mounted a new scope on it. While sighting the rifle in I had one two shot group that measured less than .5 inches and a three shot group that measured 5/8 inch. I was feeling good. I then hung the official targets and shot the first three shots of my official, for the record, ten shot group from a Mini 14. First three shots of the ten were slightly less than 4 inches. I thought I would save the rest of that ammo for my AR and remove the scope from the Ruger. My brother reminded me that they were designed to be like a M1 Carbine not like an AR. They sure are handy.

LOL, thats why 3-5 shot groups, unless you have multiples, don't tell you much...

I have a .334 5 shot group from a friends 338 wind mag. Its a fluke, though the gun is generally a reliable MOA rifle... and I have a kill with it at 802 yards...

PS, how is a mini 14 more handy than an AR....?

I don't really know how to explain it. It is kind of like the difference in rabbit hunting all day with a recurve bow and a compound. Compound just isn't fun to carry. That doesn't even speak to the fact that both of my AR's are heavier than my Garand.

I find the height of the AR action and the high comb of the AR to be ungainly. The mini handles more like a traditional firearm.

I guess I'm so used to them, I can't find a difference.

I think I could have at one time, shot an AR in my sleep. My bolt guns felt funny.

Of course the M1A always felt nice.

RE weight, thats all in the build, you can get em pretty light.

The high comb, is nothing, as long as the stock and sights all match, at least to me anyway.

Interesting input as to how we all see things though.

off to cut firewood.

That's easy to fix. Just put a light weight barrel on one of them.

I gotta say that I much prefer the pistol grip and mag release on the AR platform over those of the mini, though.

I have an 18 inch barrel on one of them. Everything else is probably making it heavy. It is probably just me and the fact that I like classic guns. A 9 pound bolt action is not heavy to me but a nine pound AR is. Scott, I am just the opposite. I like the location of the Mini 14 Mag release and really like the location of the safety. The pistol grip on the AR and I don't get along. We just tolerate each other.

This was posted by 348srfun on my brother's computer

Sorry for the Mini 14 side track. All you AR guys, carry on. Lets see some more of those MOA groups. I'm going to turn in some Iron sight targets soon as I learn to shoot again. I'd shoot my Beowulf but it is too expensive to shoot more than 3 shot groups.

... We found that out in the Carl Ross postal shoot. Didn't we?

What did I miss? LOL.

In the day I did every postal I ran across as we shot a lot.

These days I doubt I shoot 30 shots a year, maybe less. A lot of difference there. In the day we shot over 10,000 a year of just 223.... not counting cross training other rounds.

RE pistol grip, ya know they make a few different ones.... and the difference between pistol and mini is difference between a high and low elbow position, trying to shoot an AR with a high elbow doesn't work, shooting a mini or M1A with low doesn't work eitehr. IE very well.

No, 10 shots is not a statistically relevant or valid sample; you would need a 30 shot sample, or a series of 10 shot samples combined into one group, to be a statistically valid sample & to be statistically representative of the variability of the system; in this case, the system is the gun, the ammo, the sights & the shooter & I guess you could throw in the weather/wind, especially with a 22 caliber.

IMO, there should be a class for the 22's & another class for anything larger.



I'll eventually get around to shooting.......have 3 guns & will shoot at least 2. There's no time limit on this that I know of.

MM

The 'excuses' are life. Some have time, some make time, some don't.

For me, I'm more dedicated to the fire/ems pager to help folks out, than I am to shooting a postal or other match at this point in my life. Its my time of life to give back.

Others are in stages like we used to be in, shoot almost every other day if not more often regardless unless weather...

otehrs are in other parts of life, kids, family, building houses, careers etc...

Would be lovely if in a every 24 hours God said, this one particular hour is for shooting, and nothing else.