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No flies on the .270

It kills shidt dead.

But, it don't shoot 168 bergers either....

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😀😀 Best recommendation in all these pages, was to just get it in 7x57. If you want more later, it's just a chamber ream to either 280, I'd guess.

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Originally Posted by Pappy348
You forgot one...

4) I have purchased or ordered something, am having second thoughts, and want someone to tell me I didn't make a mistake.


I see this time and again. A little reassurance can be a good thing. But they need to be honest with themselves.

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Originally Posted by Backroads
No flies on the .270

It kills shidt dead.

But, it don't shoot 168 bergers either....


No doubt about it. Hopefully the tongue-in-cheek intent of my comments didn't ruffle the feathers of the unwashed masses. laugh

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I was surprised when I got on the CF and discovered the 280AI had any traction at all. I had no idea anyone used it.

Musta been the circles I ran in.... smile



That's a really similar reaction the one I had when I saw all of discussion about the 7 Mashburn on the CF.

I mean a wildcat that bests the 7RM by 100fps when you run it in a full-length magnum action,and is kicked all over the school yard by the 7mm STW that uses all the action length. Well you gotta wonder, what's the point?

But,to each his own.

With a 100fps gain, better bullets and twists than the 270, I think it would be a no-brainer except for the incestuous relationship some people seem to have with the 270 (circles?).

And in a Kimber, it weighs a whole lot less than ANY 7RM on the market.

Faster is always faster, and better is always better.

And, it's SAAMI to boot!

Rationalize on.


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Originally Posted by 8SNAKE
That makes far too much sense and will never catch on. Now, if you neck the case down to .277 and rework it a bit, you might really have something inferior that will drive Joe Public wild.


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Originally Posted by Backroads
No flies on the .270

It kills shidt dead.

But, it don't shoot 168 bergers either....


No doubt about it. Hopefully the tongue-in-cheek intent of my comments didn't ruffle the feathers of the unwashed masses. laugh


I have a 270 for my backup rifle, in the event I should ever want to buy my ammo at Walmart grin


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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
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Originally Posted by BobinNH
I was surprised when I got on the CF and discovered the 280AI had any traction at all. I had no idea anyone used it.

Musta been the circles I ran in.... smile



That's a really similar reaction the one I had when I saw all of discussion about the 7 Mashburn on the CF.

I mean a wildcat that bests the 7RM by 100fps when you run it in a full-length magnum action,and is kicked all over the school yard by the 7mm STW that uses all the action length. Well you gotta wonder, what's the point?

But,to each his own.

With a 100fps gain, better bullets and twists than the 270, I think it would be a no-brainer except for the incestuous relationship some people seem to have with the 270 (circles?).

And in a Kimber, it weighs a whole lot less than ANY 7RM on the market.

Faster is always faster, and better is always better.

And, it's SAAMI to boot!

Rationalize on.




Seems as the 280 AI has gained way more traction than the Mashburn. Don't see any manufacturers chambering the Mashburn let alone anyone making factory ammo for it!!

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Yep . . . but a looney can rationalize anything.



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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
Yep . . . but a looney can rationalize anything.



Cant argue with that logic!!

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Originally Posted by 338rcm
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Originally Posted by BobinNH
I was surprised when I got on the CF and discovered the 280AI had any traction at all. I had no idea anyone used it.

Musta been the circles I ran in.... smile



That's a really similar reaction the one I had when I saw all of discussion about the 7 Mashburn on the CF.

I mean a wildcat that bests the 7RM by 100fps when you run it in a full-length magnum action,and is kicked all over the school yard by the 7mm STW that uses all the action length. Well you gotta wonder, what's the point?

But,to each his own.

With a 100fps gain, better bullets and twists than the 270, I think it would be a no-brainer except for the incestuous relationship some people seem to have with the 270 (circles?).

And in a Kimber, it weighs a whole lot less than ANY 7RM on the market.

Faster is always faster, and better is always better.

And, it's SAAMI to boot!

Rationalize on.




Seems as the 280 AI has gained way more traction than the Mashburn. Don't see any manufacturers chambering the Mashburn let alone anyone making factory ammo for it!!



I go away for two days of bass fishing and come home to find the dopes are at it again....love all the "experience" speaking with so much authority.

Whelen if a 140 gr bullet at 3150 from a second rate factory rifle floats your boat,go for it.That from a cartridge that runs at 65,000 psi and still goes slower than a 7 Rem Mag run at lower pressures. Makes sense to me crazy Some have fallen for this. PT Barnum was right...after 100+ years of 7mm cartridge development, I guess the factories ran out of ideas to sell more rifles, huh?

Tell me how you know so much about the Mashburn and the STW? Loaded for both?

338: Moron, you won't see anyone chambering for the Mashburn. They brought out a couple of cartridges to approximate its ballistics already...you might know about them. The 7 Rem Mag(which it beats easily) and the STW (which does nothing more than a Mashburn. (Ask anyone who has owned both.) Both came later than the Mashburn. Hint.

Whelen tell me how much game you have killed with a 270, 280, 280AI and 7 Rem Mag? I'd love to know.

You two agreeing with one another is hilarious...reminds me of Dumb and Dumber. smirk

Rationalize on!

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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Well Bob, you should have kept fishing.

It's gotta be a lot cheaper hobby than taking one of the heaviest rifle actions ever designed and having some big money smith try to make it into something semi-portable. sick

Regarding the Mashburn and the STW, I don't need to load every cartridge ever designed to know how they will perform.

It may surprise you, but the laws of physics are incredibly reliable indicators. For the 7RM, Mashburn, and 7STW case capacity is all I need to know.

So tell me oh experienced one . . . why such a hard-on for the 280AI? I can only surmise your 270 fetish is showing.

It a SAAMI round sitting squarely between the 270/280 and the 7RM, and can be had in a 6lb rifle right off the shelf.

Or better yet, explain the tremendous virtues of the Mashburn, sitting squarely between the 7RM and the STW, A wildcat, requiring a full length magnum action to achieve the modest increase over the SAAMI 7RM.

Please educate me. Detail the tremendous Mashburn upside. Or rationalize on.



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Whoa, seems this is getting a mite testy and that is too bad.

I see a LOT of the numbers game here and often by guys who should know better or by a couple who seem to get nasty in almost every thread, ( NOT Bob) and find it just sad.

I find the 280AI interesting, the Kimber MA seems a sound choice for mountain hunting and have loaded for and shot a fine custom Dana Campbell 7STW, did not care for certain aspects of the round and thus did not buy it.

I have NOT used a Mashburn, no reason to at my age, but, have found Bob's posts on it very interesting and he KNOWS his stuff on rifles.

I think that each should use what 7mm he pleases, I currently have seven fine rifles in .284 bore and three in .270, and like them all.

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Fill in the blanks, correct where needed:

162 Amax

7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7STW=?
7Mash=?


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Originally Posted by 16bore
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162 Amax

7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7STW=?
7Mash=?



I think that's pretty close to reality.

I'd finish it as follows:
7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7Mash=3,100 FPS
7STW=3,200 FPS

Basically 100 FPS steps.

It seems that to some the step from 2,800-2,900 is inconsequential, while the step from 3,000-3,100 is worth forming cases.

Just wonder why?


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Turned into pretty much a Bugs Bunny vs Elmer Fudd thread on which is ultimate:. Kudos to all for your contributions to trivia. Now putting on headgear to knocked be concussed by the rationale. Argue on.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
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162 Amax

7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7STW=?
7Mash=?



Any reason you didn't list the 7mm WSM? The .284 KING. grin

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Reckon I forgot it. I'm sure I left off a few more.

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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
Originally Posted by 16bore
Fill in the blanks, correct where needed:

162 Amax

7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7STW=?
7Mash=?



I think that's pretty close to reality.

I'd finish it as follows:
7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7Mash=3,100 FPS
7STW=3,200 FPS

Basically 100 FPS steps.

It seems that to some the step from 2,800-2,900 is inconsequential, while the step from 3,000-3,100 is worth forming cases.

Just wonder why?


WailingAway:

Wrong. The Mashburn will move a 160-162 at 3200-3250. Ask anyone who has one.3100 is about right for a 175...give or take a few fps. We have three that do it routinely. BTW they all have 24" barrels. We throw cases out when they get too ratty. Beretz has another.Docbill on her also has one......I could go on and on....and on.

Besides HTF would you even know since you've never loaded for one? Or a 7 STW either? smirk

I have never seen so much wild ass "guessing" in my life.

In answer to post above, i could answer it all but it would mostly be over your head. You "read" about stuff instead of loading and shooting.You really need to shoot an load more and read less.

You and your 280AI remind me of the guy who buys a red Corvette in hopes it will help him get laid more often.

BTW, Dober is breaking in a new Mashburn barrel. He wanted me to tell you that his FF load is doing 3160 with a 139 gr ....we both thought..."Sure seems like a 280AI to me!"

If you can't get a 7-8 pound rifle up a mountain that's your problem, not mine.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by 16bore
Fill in the blanks, correct where needed:

162 Amax

7-08=2,700 FPS
7-08AI=2,800 FPS
280=2,800 FPS
280AI=2,900FPS
7RM=3,000 FPS
7STW=?
7Mash=?


At what pressure and bbl length does a 7mm08ai equal a .280rem?
Handloaded ai in a 28in bbl vs factory loaded 280 in a 22in maybe.

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