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This is only my personal opinion between the 280 and 280 AI. Take it for what its worth.....not much.

I've noted over the years that I've come to appreciate the functions of feed and ejection quite a bit. I've noted with the 280 AI that I have that while yes it will feed it is not optimal in my opinion. Physics is physics and a straighter case wall design does have more to overcome than a tapered case wall design. It is not only my opinion as feeding of the 280 AI has been duelly noted by many more than just I on the fire.

Just my opinion but I will take a 270 or 280 for the feeding virtues over a 280 AI any day.

The performance between a 270,280, or 280 AI is indistinguishable.

The feeding virtues are not.

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No dog in the 280 / 280 Ackley fight. I do have 7mm MSM, 7mm WSM, and 7x57 though.

The MSM has been a piece of cake to work with. FF loads do right around 3200 in my rifle.

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160 ABs run right at 3200 for me.

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They shoot pretty decent for me.

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Same for the 160 PT's

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175 PT's are running around 3050 or so for me.

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Still sorting the seating depth out a little

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Just an old beater M70 XTR I had punched out..

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This rifle has been pretty easy to work with. The 280/280 Improved and WSM are all great cartridges, but the MSM has been pretty easy to work with all in all. Responded pretty well across the board and seems to be an easy deal. I guess to me, it feels like a 7mm Rem Mag Improved. Longer neck, more case space and cases seem to last forever. I am crowding on 10 firings of my original 50 Hornady cases.


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Originally Posted by Elvis
Nobody ever felt the need to Ackleyerise the 270, so why all the fuss with the 280?


It's as good as an Elvis Burger with your choice of Peanut Butter.


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Originally Posted by beretzs
No dog in the 280 / 280 Ackley fight. I do have 7mm MSM, 7mm WSM, and 7x57 though.

The MSM has been a piece of cake to work with. FF loads do right around 3200 in my rifle.

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160 ABs run right at 3200 for me.

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They shoot pretty decent for me.

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Same for the 160 PT's

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175 PT's are running around 3050 or so for me.

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Still sorting the seating depth out a little

[img]http://i723.photobucket.com/al...-A1AD-E6D689B30A94_zpsumw6oa8e.jpg[/img]



Just an old beater M70 XTR I had punched out..

[img]http://i723.photobucket.com/al...-88B6-81F27EA81BDE_zpsijdferhq.jpg[/img]


This rifle has been pretty easy to work with. The 280/280 Improved and WSM are all great cartridges, but the MSM has been pretty easy to work with all in all. Responded pretty well across the board and seems to be an easy deal. I guess to me, it feels like a 7mm Rem Mag Improved. Longer neck, more case space and cases seem to last forever. I am crowding on 10 firings of my original 50 Hornady cases.



beretzs . . . thanks for posting this.

It gives me a chance to clarify my postings on this.

I think the Mashburn is a great round, and I hope to work with one someday.

I personally would far prefer it to any 7 magnum with greater case capacity (STW, RUM, etc.)

The only reason I even posted on this thread is because another member seems obsessed with perpetually dissing the 280AI, while never missing a chance to sing the praises of the 7 Mashburn.

Everybody knows that the two rounds are not equivalent, with the Mashburn having much greater capacity.

But both rounds offer advantages over very similar (and popular) rounds, and the conclusion that one is useless while the other is somehow indispensable needs to be defended. That's why I brought up the Mashburn. Not due to a dislike for what appears to be a very fine cartridge.

I realize that in this case it just comes down to a certain member's love affair with the 270. I imagine that he breathed a sigh of relief when the 280 was underloaded at it's birth. Disregarding all of the measurables favoring the 280 was made much easier.

The SAAMI 280AI changed the situation, and for him I think it's a hard pill to swallow.


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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
Originally Posted by beretzs
No dog in the 280 / 280 Ackley fight. I do have 7mm MSM, 7mm WSM, and 7x57 though.

The MSM has been a piece of cake to work with. FF loads do right around 3200 in my rifle.

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160 ABs run right at 3200 for me.

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They shoot pretty decent for me.

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Same for the 160 PT's

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175 PT's are running around 3050 or so for me.

[img]http://i723.photobucket.com/al...-99AE-A5B2ED5D5FE8_zps5vmcgsf3.jpg[/img]

Still sorting the seating depth out a little

[img]http://i723.photobucket.com/al...-A1AD-E6D689B30A94_zpsumw6oa8e.jpg[/img]



Just an old beater M70 XTR I had punched out..

[img]http://i723.photobucket.com/al...-88B6-81F27EA81BDE_zpsijdferhq.jpg[/img]


This rifle has been pretty easy to work with. The 280/280 Improved and WSM are all great cartridges, but the MSM has been pretty easy to work with all in all. Responded pretty well across the board and seems to be an easy deal. I guess to me, it feels like a 7mm Rem Mag Improved. Longer neck, more case space and cases seem to last forever. I am crowding on 10 firings of my original 50 Hornady cases.



beretzs . . . thanks for posting this.

It gives me a chance to clarify my postings on this.

I think the Mashburn is a great round, and I hope to work with one someday.

I personally would far prefer it to any 7 magnum with greater case capacity (STW, RUM, etc.)

The only reason I even posted on this thread is because another member seems obsessed with perpetually dissing the 280AI, while never missing a chance to sing the praises of the 7 Mashburn.

Everybody knows that the two rounds are not equivalent, with the Mashburn having much greater capacity.

But both rounds offer advantages over very similar (and popular) rounds, and the conclusion that one is useless while the other is somehow indispensable needs to be defended. That's why I brought up the Mashburn. Not due to a dislike for what appears to be a very fine cartridge.

I realize that in this case it just comes down to a certain member's love affair with the 270. I imagine that he breathed a sigh of relief when the 280 was underloaded at it's birth. Disregarding all of the measurables favoring the 280 was made much easier.

The SAAMI 280AI changed the situation, and for him I think it's a hard pill to swallow.


Great post Whelen,

Not everyone seems to like the Ackley IMP rounds. I have had a loaded for four of them 223, 22-250, 30-06 and 338-06 all gained appx 100 fps from the factory chambering.From the work I've done with them, they do work better with heavy for caliber bullets.Some took time to find the right powder and bullet combo. The 06 to me was the easiest to find max gain .Bullets were 180 grain
Ackleys arent for everyone, but if you looking for a little boost its a great place to start plus your eliminating the trimming stage of reloading and still have the advantage of shooting factory ammo

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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
Lots of words to say I have no answer.

Why didn't you just say I'm a 270 slut and leave it at that.

..... GFY grin


Last resort response. Not surprising considering the source.

I can usually gauge a guy's experience in BG hunting by his reaction to the 270(and the 30/06). When it comes to killing game animals, he may have other favorites,might not even use a 270; but will quickly admit it's a great cartridge and a solid and reliable killer of BG animals. The smart guys know this through personal experience.

But when the guy trashes the 270 and proclaims it worthless as a BG cartridge,and tries to argue that a 280 or something similar is a vastly superior choice, I suspect that he has not killed much game, seen very much killed himself,and has not "been around" much. I am usually right.

I think I know what category you fall in.


Might surprise you but I'm not a "270 slut", as you put it. And I have hunted a lot of North America with......lemme see....the 270 ( of course).7/08,7x57,280,7 Rem Mag, 7mm Dakota, 7mm Mashburn, 300 Win Mag, 300 Weatherby,25/06, 30/06,257 Roberts....and likely some others I can't recall..Or maybe did not kill with but did do the prep work.

If you want to toss in the cartridges I've seen used by others, the list would swell by a few more.



You? confused


I have found that I am about as successful with one thing as the other.And results are pretty much the same no matter what I hunt with. Point being...junior...I've used a lot of them,as have many other experienced folks on here.

I actually post a lot on the 270 because I know it aggravates people like you. grin

So...a 270 fetish? Nope....i don't have cartridge fetishes. I can hunt with anything i want,and have.

I have answered your questions about the Mashburn several times. But you want to ignore the answer because you are more interested in arguing with me than you are in paying attention to what I've explained to you.In other words, your juvenile ego has gotten in the way of absorbing any information that I've tried to provide. You don't want to hear answers. You want to argue.

This is not uncommon on here. You are a good example of it.

Listen to Beretz. He will explain it. You might learn something, Muffin.



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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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No flies on a 270 pushing a 129 LRX at 3,100. Especially since it beats a 280 pushing 120 TTSX at 3,200 and 140 TTSX at 3,000.

But those are just numbers.......

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Geezuz, this has been quite the thread, still prefer my .270s..280s inc. my new Kimber MA-.280AI to any other rounds for MOST BC hunting and expect I always shall.

WTF, after 57 years of usually very intense shooting, into my 51st hunting season and all that entails, I find my Kimber feeds my handloads well and I have come to just like the .280AI.....which, is all that matters to me!

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SNAP nothing wrong with a 280AI. Stuck between a 280 and a 7 Rem Mag is a good place to be.Obviously, it's a good cartridge.How could it not be with ballistics comparable to the other two?

But say on here that you never had a reason to buy one ,because you had a 280, and a 7 Rem Mag (everything all around it), and it is just duplicitous,and everyone thinks you hate it. crazy

Nope....if you've used a 280, or a 7 Rem mag,to kill any number of animals, at some point in the ballistic life of both, you've used a 280AI....just depends a bit on distance.Any ballistic table tells us that.

This is the modern difficulty with having so many cartridges to choose from,and having so many so closely bunched together in the same caliber,in terms of their velocity. In comparing them,you bump into quantum over lap.

In answer to the OP's question, I don't think it matters whether you get a 280, or a 280AI. I'd pay more attention to which rifle I liked chambered for either one.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

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Funniest of all is OP didn't mention a single bullet.


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As always, Bob, my friend you make a sound point, I just like to try various cartridges in different rifles as I am a total "nut" about guns.

I almost bought a mint, cherry STS Classic-70 two years back due to your influence and would have had it customized and punched to 7Mash-only age and serious gimpiness prevented this.

For some BC hunting, I cannot envision a better round than the Mashburn with 160 premium slugs as for some a .338WM-250NP is ideal and the .270Win.-.280Rem-.280AI is perfect for most.

Gives us stuff to stay penniless with and keeps us out of the taverns, eh! smile

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Originally Posted by SNAP
As always, Bob, my friend you make a sound point, I just like to try various cartridges in different rifles as I am a total "nut" about guns.

I almost bought a mint, cherry STS Classic-70 two years back due to your influence and would have had it customized and punched to 7Mash-only age and serious gimpiness prevented this.

For some BC hunting, I cannot envision a better round than the Mashburn with 160 premium slugs as for some a .338WM-250NP is ideal and the .270Win.-.280Rem-.280AI is perfect for most.

Gives us stuff to stay penniless with and keeps us out of the taverns, eh! smile


Same here. I've got enough overlap that I really could get rid of most of my stuff and still never miss a beat hunting. I do enjoy trying different cartridges, just cause I can.

Heck, since I got the Mashburn, I could get rid of my little 7mm WSM, but I do happen to have a bunch of 140 grain BBC's that might work out pretty well in that one. I'll save the 160 and 175 BBC's for the MSM.

Sorry to derail this thread. I am pretty sure if most of us were blindfolded, handed a decent rifle, zeroed 3" high at 100 yards, 95% would never miss a beat with anything from a 7-08 to a 300 RUM..


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I like the 7x57 because I know what it can do. I also own a 280AI and can appreciate it may offer a little more in velocity though I am not sure it would perform notably moreso. My 7mm Remington is the rifle that challenges validity for my AI as it (meaning the AI) is very similar to the .30/06 in velocity for like bullet weights.

For me, the '06 with heavier bullets is more the gap filler in my rack so the 200fps the Rem has over the AI will likely kill it off for me.

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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
My 7mm Remington is.....very similar to the .30/06 in velocity for like bullet weights.


It's interesting how the 30/06 is the cartridge everything is compared to, yet how few actually use one.


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Originally Posted by Reloder28
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My 7mm Remington is.....very similar to the .30/06 in velocity for like bullet weights.


It's interesting how the 30/06 is the cartridge everything is compared to, yet how few actually use one.


Agreed, it's the most recommended, least used chambering in existence. The perfect cartridge for someone else.


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I wouldn't say "least used", but certainly least considered by loonies.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
I wouldn't say "least used", but certainly least considered by loonies.


I'm somewhat of a loonie, which is why I have one of everything except a .30-06.

But I have three of those, down from four last year. (Had a .30-06 that wouldn't shoot to my satisfaction.)

Any one of the .30-06 rifles would be all I ever need, sell everything else. Even though I've used .30-06s more than any other cartridge the last few years, selling the others isn't going to happen any time soon.

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I'm down to 223,260,and 7mag. Not that I really need the 7, but it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

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