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Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? #9890578 05/15/15
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Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9892136 05/15/15
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,906 Colorado	An 80% lower is a paper weight. Once it's build out, the configuration in which it is first assembled dictates what it is. If you first assemble it as a pistol, it's a pistol. If you first assemble it as a rifle, it's a rifle. Same thing applies to any stripped lower that's purchases as a "receiver". You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9892234 05/15/15
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Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9892638 05/15/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	Who in this world would know what its original paring was? There are no numbers on a finished 80 I have never purchased a complete pistol or rifle......all parts.....every time So in other words it's whatever I want it to be as my AR collection is modular I'll skip running a sub 16 on a completed 80 just to avoid any stormtrooper problems Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9892710 05/15/15
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,906 Colorado	I just quoted you the laws as interpreted by the the ATF. How you choose to follow or violate them is up to you. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

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Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9893090 05/15/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	So you see my point.......or maybe not In a modular system with no records as to what configuration said lower is or was there is a masive flaw that is entirely in the honor system of the owner Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9894610 05/16/15
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,906 Colorado	If you claim it was first assembled as a pistol at a time when you didn't have a pistol length barrel and pistol buffer tube, some ambitious agent with it out for you could try to make a case...or if you pissed off someone who knew other wise. Of course as you mention, the lack of records would prevent an obstacle to "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9894828 05/16/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	True and True best to stay on the up and up For a owners protection a digital poto would watermark the date Heck.....Im spooked to put a Sig brace on a pistol if or when I put one together Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9894892 05/16/15
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,906 Colorado	I originally planned to build a Sig brace rig. I assembled it that way, so it was first assembled as a pistol, and then reassembled it with a 16" Wilson Combat ultra-light barrel and collapsible stock. I just don't see enough reason to play in the grey areas. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9894916 05/16/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	Same here It's just not wirth the risk.....if any Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

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Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? antelope_sniper #9940636 05/26/15
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ConradCA Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,599 Santa Clara CA, USA	There different rules for selling pistols and rifles. When a mfg sells a firearm such as a stripped lower they have to spec it as a pistol or a rifle so the buyer and the seller can follow the correct procedure. That means rifle lowers can't be built into pistols. Pistol lowers can be built into rifles thought they are treated by the law as pistols. You can build pistols and rifles from 80% lowers. I think you need to mark them as either a pistol or a rifle an the law will treat them as such. Last edited by ConradCA; 05/26/15.

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9944032 05/27/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	Of all the stripped lowers I have bought I have never been asked in what way I would be using it Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9944224 05/27/15
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,906 Colorado	Originally Posted by tedthorn Of all the stripped lowers I have bought I have never been asked in what way I would be using it Per usual, Conrad is just wrong. Everyone I've purchased has been marked "receiver". You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #9946982 05/28/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	Who is Conrad Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? ConradCA #9947218 05/28/15
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri tedthorn OP Campfire Outfitter
OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	Originally Posted by ConradCA There different rules for selling pistols and rifles. When a mfg sells a firearm such as a stripped lower they have to spec it as a pistol or a rifle so the buyer and the seller can follow the correct procedure. That means rifle lowers can't be built into pistols. Pistol lowers can be built into rifles thought they are treated by the law as pistols. You can build pistols and rifles from 80% lowers. I think you need to mark them as either a pistol or a rifle an the law will treat them as such. You think so? Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? antelope_sniper #10085336 06/30/15
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rdsii64 New Member R Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 2	Originally Posted by antelope_sniper An 80% lower is a paper weight. Once it's build out, the configuration in which it is first assembled dictates what it is. If you first assemble it as a pistol, it's a pistol. If you first assemble it as a rifle, it's a rifle. Same thing applies to any stripped lower that's purchases as a "receiver". I know this is an old thread but you are incorrect. An UNREGISTERED fire arm is anything you want it to be. Thats the point of an UNREGISTERED fire arm. So long as what ever you build is legal for you to own you are just fine. If you have a lower with a serial number, then its either registered as a pistol or a rifle

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #10085826 06/30/15
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,906 Colorado	Registration?? We don't need no stinking registration. Form 4473 is not "registration". In addition, legally, you are just flat out wrong. Regardless of serial number, a built out 80% receiver is NOT, "what ever you want it to be". I suggest you familiarize yourself the proper terms, and actual text of the ATF regulations. Last edited by antelope_sniper; 06/30/15. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Is an 80% lower a legal AR pistol lower? tedthorn #10089676 07/01/15
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OP tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,811 South East Missouri	Also I just purchased several stripped lowers in one large lot They were NOT registered as pistol or rifle ..... not a single one from the lot Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

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