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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Hard to vote against the G17 or G19 for the last 15-20 years, maybe.

In addition to 4 Glocks, I have several Beretta 92's in various configurations, as well as an M&P, & they are all great pistols, but the Glocks are better in various ways, IMHO.

In the near future though, I'd be betting the H&K VP9 might overtake them though.

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Originally Posted by jstall
Ratsmaker I love the BHP and have owned one for 25 years, but the G19 is the best size and ammo capacity around. Like you said Best is different for everyone.



I had a 19 for awhile, it just doesn't fit my hands. I like them better than the other Glocks, but they don't fit my mitts. The BHP and CZ75s fit me better. We ain't arguing here, you and me, just expressing our opinions. If I had to have a Glock, it would be another 19, but I'd rather have an XD or M&P, they fit my hands better.

We're disagreeing, but only in degree, and I don't really care enough to get in a knock-down drag-out fight about it. If it fits your mitts, it'll probably be okay.


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor


Always wanted to try one of those, but that's just more damn money then I want to spend on a 9mm.


With the safety on it, (the "S" model) it's sort of a mashup of the P226, 1911, and your favorite poly pistol. And the grip feels better to me than anything else I have tried along that line.


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glock 19


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CZ 85 COMBAT - 9 MM

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Frame - Steel
Barrel - Cold hammer forged
Trigger - DA/SA with overtravel adjustment
Fully adjustable rear sight
Manual safety (No firing pin block safety)
Safety stop on hammer
Reversible Mag release lever
Ambidextrous safety & slide stop levers




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Why are we still talking about this? Glock 17. Anything else is just a derivative of the original.

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I like the Beretta 92F.

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Originally Posted by shrapnel


I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion...

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Gotta say, that pistol hit a lot of branches on it's fall from the ugly tree. Maybe just me...

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High-capacity
Striker-fired
Polymer-framed
Nitrited metal

This defines the modern wondernine to me.

Glock 17
H&K VP9
S&W M&P

Are at the top of my list. Pick whichever trips your trigger.


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Originally Posted by shrapnel


I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion...

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Gotta say, that pistol hit a lot of branches on it's fall from the ugly tree. Maybe just me...
Indeed, it is ugly. To me, there are so many hi-cap 9's out there that are extremely reliable and very accurate that you have to consider price and aesthetics when you set out to do this thing. That disqualifies uglies like the H&K and Glock.

The OP first said "wondernine" and then "hi cap 9" which are not necessarily the same thing. All wondernines are hi cap 9's but not all hi-cap 9's are wondernines. Also, I'm not sure that modern polymer, striker-type 9's are really the originally defined wondernine.

Of the originals, I'd have to give the nod to CZ-75 types. Of the polymers, I'd have to say the M&P.

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I have owned and tried the older Smith Auto's, Sig Auto's, HK Auto's, Beretta Auto's, they are all gone. I don't think High bore axis, inconsistent trigger pull (first shot), and long trigger resets are me. I even had a Shrapnel gun (the smaller mag capacity one) for a while great gun but you should stick with that type of action.


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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
Honorable mentions to squeeze cockers, but hard to beat the P30LS, IMO

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H&K will have to do away with that ridiculous fugging mag release, as well as get a few more years under their belt before they can go on my list.

Seriously, that mag release is a POS. Classic example of German over-thinking.



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Seriously, it's easy to reach. Different than most anything else? Yep.


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It's a POS design.

People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.

Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.




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The gun is so accurate, you don't need a second mag.

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Tossup for me between the Glock 19, (carry one everyday) and an FNC HP.


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Originally Posted by RWE
The gun is so accurate, you don't need a second mag.


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Originally Posted by deflave
It's a POS design.

People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.

Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.

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