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Let me explain what happened. About 20 years ago I was at the Laguna Seca rifle Range. When we had a cease-fire I asked the guy to my right what he was shooting. He said it was a 6.5X55 Swedish Mauser.

He spent the next 10 to 15 minutes bragging about the rifle it was his father's. At the next cease-fire he again spent 10 to 15 minutes bragging about the rifle.

Then when we started shooting again he noticed I had a chonograph so I let him take a shot through it. Velocity was a little bit over 2400 ft./s. He wanted to know if that was accurate so I let them shoot again. Same results a little bit over 2400 ft./s.

About seven months later I saw him at the range. But now he was shooting a different rifle. I asked him what he was shooting and he said 7MM Remington Magnum. I asked him what he did with the Swedish Mauser.

He said "Oh that POS, I got rid of it."

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Modern gun rags' obsession with velocity & long range shooting has messed peoples' expectations up pretty badly I think.

Plus it sounds like what he chrono'd was anemic American ammo.

Funny the psychology of such things.

I have a buddy who loves to weigh his pack before we go backpacking and I refuse to until we return. It'd jack with my head.

Same kind of thing IMHO. Doubt 90% of hunters would ever see a difference between a Swede and a 7RM in their hunting experience.

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I think he was using factory ammo. I was actually thinking about starting this thread with the title "Perceived Velocity vs. Actual Velocity." However, I thought the current title would grab more peoples attention.


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The 6.5 Swede has accounted for train loads of Moose and Red Deer in Europe. I love the caliber.


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You should have chrono'd his 7mm mag. then you could have bought it from him cheap.


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My buddy and I bought a chrony together. We've chrony'ed different guns at the range. Biggest 's low shooters' IIR were 25-06 and 7 Rem mag. 270s were erratic. Most surprising to me is the 7-08, 26" barrel varmint special shot 140 Hornady light mags, at 2990 something. That's less than 10fps below advertised. Captdavid


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My biggest eye-opener was my 30-30. I was getting almost 200 ft./s less than the advertised velocity. I immediately brought that to the attention of my Gunsmith. Then he said " those reloading manuals are optimistic."

He asked me if I was satisfied with the results (on Deer) with the 30-30. I said "Yes!"

Then he said "Deer are killed with bullets. Not what a realoading manual or a Chonograph says."

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Originally Posted by Leonten
My biggest eye-opener was my 30-30. I was getting almost 200 ft./s less than the advertised velocity. I immediately brought that to the attention of my Gunsmith. Then he said " those reloading manuals are optimistic."

He asked me if I was satisfied with the results (on Deer) with the 30-30. I said "Yes!"

Then he said "Deer are killed with bullets. Not what a realoading manual or a Chonograph says."


Your gunsmith is/was very astute, and right.

Re: 30-30s in reloading manuals; many of them have velocities from 24" barrels. Most .30-30s have 20" barrels.


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Originally Posted by sambo3006
You should have chrono'd his 7mm mag. then you could have bought it from him cheap.


That's funny and likely true.


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Originally Posted by captdavid
My buddy and I bought a chrony together. We've chrony'ed different guns at the range. Biggest 's low shooters' IIR were 25-06 and 7 Rem mag. 270s were erratic. Most surprising to me is the 7-08, 26" barrel varmint special shot 140 Hornady light mags, at 2990 something. That's less than 10fps below advertised. Captdavid


Those Hornady 7-08 light magnum loads were fast, and their Superformance ammo shot over 3000 fps in a 7-08 I have that has a 24" barrel.


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What a fool.

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I have 2 of those POS and really considering a new Tikka T3X Stainless Hunter as a third.


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Originally Posted by Leonten

Then he said "Deer are killed with bullets. Not what a realoading manual or a Chonograph says."


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The furthest I've killed a deer with a 7 RM is about 200 yards. With a 6.5x55 it's right on 400. 7 RM must be a short range caliber.


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Originally Posted by cra1948
The furthest I've killed a deer with a 7 RM is about 200 yards. With a 6.5x55 it's right on 400. 7 RM must be a short range caliber.


The longest shot I've made on a deer was two years ago, 150 yards. The longest shot I could've made was about 400 yards. That was over 40 years ago. However, a 30/30 is not a long range firearm, and I could not get closer.


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"Mauser" and "POS" don`t mix.

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For many years, my go-to hunting rifle was a Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine in 7X57. I shot 140-grain Barnes bullets (the old copper jacket ones) in it.

Over the years, I killed many pickup loads of deer with the rifle and about ten elk (plus a few black bears and antelope).

It killed fabulously and I simply knew that I was slinging the 140 Barnes at 2,900 fps. After all, that's what my Belding and Mull manual said.

Then Oehler announced his chronographs and after a few years I bought one. Little black box and you shot through silver foil screens and clicked the dial, recorded the numbers and looked up the velocity in a booklet/

Surprise!!! My wunderkind was shooting 140s at a whopping 2,550 fps.

I simply kept killing with the rifle. Hey, it worked ... and, after all that is WHAT MATTERS.

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A lot of people are caught up in trying to get the last 10 fps out of a cartridge. You can only kill an animal dead, not dead plus 1or 2.

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Originally Posted by sambo3006
You should have chrono'd his 7mm mag. then you could have bought it from him cheap.


If he was shooting the old Remington 175 gr. factory loads he may have given it up REAL cheap.........

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