Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Rand Paul On The Patriot Act Extension

It's time for the unpatriot act to go away.

Damned right!

Absolutely right on. It needs to sunset. Unfortunately, probably 80 or more Senators will continue to vote to extend it.

There's a Republican I think I can vote for for president.

The man is following in his father's footsteps.

The PATRIOT Act is a sham and a hoax.

The patriot Act is nothing more than one step closer to a police state.

They need to repeal it and the first attack on this country gets a nuclear response.

Unfortunately, I think you're on the mark there...

"We now have a President who wants to know where you contributed before you work for the government."

Tea Bagger's (what Obama himself calls us) need not apply.

other than Mikey's difficulty in opening a Canadian trading account, let's have a list of the horrible police state effects of the PA?


TSA has nothing to do with the PA, so airport stories don't count.


Come on, oppressed ones, let's hear your tales of Jack-booted PA thugs. Who has had even the slightest encounter with it?

Better yet, let's have a few examples of where it's actually done some good. Oh, that's right, we'll never be told that, secret handshakes and all.

With all of the recent assaults on the Fourth Amendment, I think we can see how strengthening the hand of the state in making it easier to bypass the Fourth Amendment is detrimental.

I take that to mean you have no examples. Your logic is sort of like saying we don't need all those FAA safety regs, because after all the planes are landing safely, and how do you know they wouldn't even without the regs.

Remember Mike, Steve is a lawyer. The more laws the more work for lawyers. I can understand business.

It sure would help the discussion if there were specific examples of Pa abuses to make an informed decision. As to the times that it's helped in the thwarting of terrorist acts, haven't there been a few examples?

the PA has not generated any business for me....nor for any lawyers. still waiting for somebody to successfully sue and say they were damaged by it.....the statute gives you your attorneys fees.

Maybe instead of us looking for specifics, we should view this act as just another means of the government chipping away at out rights. On the surface, maybe it doesn't seem to infringe on us too much but isn't what we're seeing just a continuation of the way government has found to marginalize what rights we have left?



And has government ever shown restraint when given more power?

How about all telephone providers except AT&T rolling over upon Gov't requests for phone records? AT&T told them to get a court order, gov't didn't and dropped their "request".

It's what you 'don't know about' more than what you do know about what the gov't wants and is getting w/o court orders.

I ain't a fan of the PA. You got a problem with court orders and due process, Steve NO?

A fair question and you are correct about the ever-growing size and power of a centralized government. That said when our safety is involved and such an important decision needs to be considered, I'd like to see some evidence pro and con. For example, during WWII, it was illegal (subject to fine and imprisonment) not to have blackout curtains. That law went away after the war ended. Anyhow I would like to see just ONE instance where American citizens rights were violated as a result of the PA.

Dirt bag Jose Padilla is an American citizen, he was declared an enemy combatant and held for 3-1/2 years in a military prison without being charged with a crime.