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Having a new barrel put on a Model 70 classic in 25-06 and not sure how to set up the throat. Will be using mostly Berger, Hornaday and Nosler Bullets. Should I set it up for the Berger as they can be the most temperamental or will it be too short for the others? I will probably use Hornadays the most in the 100 - 120 gr. range with 117 the mainstay if they work out.

I believe the mag length is 3.36" how much room should I leave for functioning and "chasing the lands" as it wears? Is seating for 3.34" a good OAL to start with for throating puurposes?


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If you're going to "chase the lands" as it were, you better be setting up for a much shorter OAL in the mag box. The SAAMI 25-06 reamer will give you most likely much more throat than you need to begin with - therefore it would be wise to obtain a "no-throat" reamer and do the chamber to minimum headspace..

Then use a throater to get you where you wanna go - OAL-wise.. The Hornady OAL gauge coupled with their modified case and some loose bullets will give you the measurements you need to set the throat..

With a mag box IL of 3.36, I'd be thinking of starting out at 3.15. That'll allow you to chase lands for nearly .020 over time..


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Throaters are the logical solution for this conundrum. I use one in my .30 cal rifles dedicated to cast bullet shooting.* The downside to using a separate throating reamer is the (slim) chance of going in crooked and spoiling everything. A solid one piece reamer that cuts the desired "non-standard" throat at the same time as the chamber is ideal, but not always practical. Extra cost being an issue, and then probably never using it again.


* I use a throating reamer with interchangeable pilots to perfectly match existing bore diameters to within a couple ten thousandths to give the best chance at straightness/concentricity. It also cuts a shallow leade at 1½º included angle, for eaaaaasing the lead bullet straight into the rifling, with a standard .309 ball seat.

Said reamer might also be beneficial for someone using a jacketed bullet with a long ogive such as a Berger VLD- the long tapered leade would be receptive to the long tapered bullet and allow for maintaining a throat of "normal" dimensions instead of a longish throat with "normal" leade taper. It would also allow for increased COAL length with any other shaped bullet. Not to mention every bullet, not just cast lead bullets, deserves a chance to be gently funneled into the rifling. Then of course, magazine length is always the bugabear.

Dunno for a fact, thinking out loud here.

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Or.....run a quality barrel and shoot hybrids without the fuss.


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Some good advice, thanks. Combining the answers I think I will load the 117gr Hornaday to 3.15 OAL and use a 1.5 degree taper if my smith has one but I won't sweat it if it is 1 or 2 degrees. He makes his own pilots so have that covered. Berger doesn't make a 25 cal. hybrid but if the VLD doesn't shoot I won't loose any sleep over it. The Berger will be a specialty load so no problem if it is a single load proposition as long as the mainstay loads work out of the magazine.

Barrel is a Bartlein 5R 1-9" twist so that should shoot about anything well up to 125 grains or so.

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