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Okay, the "Improved Cartridges" thread was enlightening. What are the disadvantages of X-bullets?


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They over-penetrate.

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They make a 150gr .308-cal bullet penetrate like everyone else's 180gr or even 200gr .308-cal bullet. Of course, this "disadvantage" can be applied to all Barnes bullets from .22-cal to .458 and beyond, if they make 'em that big.

TTSX/TSX. The disadvantage of complete penetration. Grin


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They kill stuff DRT and end your season.

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Been using them almost exclusively for 24 years now, have not found problems or negatives now that they do not foul up barrels anymore and are accurate in about any rifle these days. Not so much on either point with the originals, but the TTSX's? Cannot think of a negative.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Okay, the "Improved Cartridges" thread was enlightening. What are the disadvantages of X-bullets?



Right now it is that they advertise a new Tipped TSX in .224 but havent put them out yet... frown


Otherwise...they overpenetrate and its hard to get a mushroom for those neat pics to post... grin


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It's always good to have a second tag just in case the one standing behind your primary goes down...damn them over penetrators anyway,wish they didn't work sooo well!! grin


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Dats no schitt Woody...Im only using centerfire .22s these days and you still have to be careful that no one is standing behind your target...ask ltpowell...


Course, he lines up feral pigs intentionally... grin


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For me, finding the seating depth to give me accuracy that the bullets and my gun are capable of is harder than working up the load sometimes.

I have had four rifles give me fits over seating depth and one over copper fouling.

My 25-06 (700 Sendero) has almost 200 Barnes down the tube and I cannot bring it below an inch and a half. The gun shoots bug holes with about any load using VMax 75s.

The fouler was a Parker-Hale 30-06. Shot 150 grain Speer FBs into 3/4 inch. Three shots with a TTSX, four at the most and the guns as copper fouling so bad accuracy opened to 3-4 inches. The barrel looked clean so I UBCed it and the problem went away. The gun did not foul badly with guilding metal jackets and the bore looked fine, but I never put a bore scope in it. Of the ones picky about seating, two were capable of eight inch groups if the seating depth was .010 too much or too little (one .223, one .243) The others just took a lot of backing up and trying again.

If they were really cheap bullets, and easy to get plenty of them, those problems would not be so bothersome. But... When they run 60-80 cents each, and you might get lucky and find fifty of the ones you want on the shelf, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. When there are changes (small or not) in the bullets between lots, that problem is magnified in it's piss me off factor.

Otherwise, the only downside is the small light ones don't have very good BCs, but that's the nature of small light bullets. The copper just makes that a little more obvious.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
Dats no schitt Woody...Im only using centerfire .22s these days and you still have to be careful that no one is standing behind your target...ask ltpowell...


Course, he lines up feral pigs intentionally... grin


I aint ltpoweel but know what you mean too, the pig standing behind the first one did not even slow the bullet down. Too bad I couldn't get another pig to cooperate and stand behind them!


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For me the downside is accuracy. A couple of rifles now I couldn't get the TSX to shoot no matter what. The rifles were accurate with other bullets so it's not the gun.

From what I've seen guns either love em or hate em.

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I've generally had excellent accuracy results with TSX bullets, in several different calibers.

In theory, it should be possible to make a monometallic bullet even more uniform than a cup and core or bonded bullet- less chance of variation in jacket thickness, etc.


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Originally Posted by BCSteve
They over-penetrate.


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Originally Posted by Bighorn
I've generally had excellent accuracy results with TSX bullets, in several different calibers.

In theory, it should be possible to make a monometallic bullet even more uniform than a cup and core or bonded bullet- less chance of variation in jacket thickness, etc.



Same here,I shoot 130gr TSX in my 264..140gr TTSX in my 280..85gr TSX in my 6mm and 243.. 55gr TTSX in the 220 Swift.All these guns are in the 20-25 yr old range and shoot very well with the Barnes label.Have turned on several friends to them and no problems either.Partitions and Speer have always been my favorites over the years and I still shoot them often but the X bullets have made a believer outta me several times in the last few hunting trips.Not going to criticize the cup and core following as I have been one for many moons but all I gotta say is,"Don't knock em if you haven't tried em"...and that means you Swampy !!!


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If any of ya'll got any 160 XLC's in .284 or 180 in .308 for sale let me know.. I'm coming to the end of these and will be forced to start using the Next Generation..
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Core-less are, "the best in the world". Barnes bullets are a novelty. Ford Fiesta rules.


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Originally Posted by badger
Core-less are, "the best in the world". Barnes bullets are a novelty. Ford Fiesta rules.



There ya have it folks, quote from the resident nutt shell!!! laugh


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