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Caught your recent YouTube interview w/ Ron Spomer.

Very interesting and insightful, thank you for your time and candor.


The discussion on the 9mm v. Brown Bear was especially fascinating.
(as well as your opinion on good heavy bullets, placed well, from common caliber rifles)

Got me to thinkin', and, in turn, if you can spare the time, an interest in your opinion.


Was a time, here in the Louisiana piney woods, that a .357 Mag. w/ 180 gr. Sierra TournamentMaster truncated FMJ was carried for Hog(300+lbs.) and panther defense.

And maybe the occasional Black Bear.


Then came across a 5.3" .357Sig conversion Bbl. for the Glock G23 .40., and a pile of this Hornady Custom 147 gr. XTP ammo, dirt cheap.

The bullets are non-catalog, and are constructed like revolver bullets, w/ a roll-crimp, and designed for ~ 1.5x expansion at magnum revolver velocity.

They clock ~ 1325 fps out of this Bbl. are very precise, easy to shoot accurately, and the pistol holds 14 of'em - while being significantly lighter than the revolver it replaced.


This is an interesting vid, 5" Bbl'ed pistol test, including a gel test w/ a combination of denim and MDF intermediate barrier.



How do you think it stacks up as a bear round?

(Though Black Bear is probably the more reasonable concern, and Grizzly a distant second.)


Know you are busy w/ your approaching Season, so, again, if inclined, at your convenience.



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Every hunter should see this video with Phil.

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Placement & Penetration trump all. That’s why elephant hunters use solid bullets .

When I was testing the 9mm Buffalo Bore 147 gr bullets I also tested a 30 Tokarev like I carried in Vietnam , my 357 , my S&W 44 Mtn Gun and a 475 Linebaugh. All of them gave adequate penetration to reach the vitals of the massive bears I deal with .


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Originally Posted by 458Win
Placement & Penetration trump all. That’s why elephant hunters use solid bullets .

When I was testing the 9mm Buffalo Bore 147 gr bullets I also tested a 30 Tokarev like I carried in Vietnam , my 357 , my S&W 44 Mtn Gun and a 475 Linebaugh. All of them gave adequate penetration to reach the vitals of the massive bears I deal with .

Best post of the thread! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I would add the 10mm Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman Load and the 357 Sig 125 gr load to the list. Both have penetrated many large hogs here at the Ranch.
Rarely “catch” one of the hard cast 10mm bullets in a hog. They almost always exit.

I’ve also used the 30 Tokarev or 7.62x25 quite a bit with the S&B FMJ factory ammo out of a surplus CZ 52 pistol I bought years ago for $100 bucks. Heck of a round!
Reminds me a lot of the 357 Sig round

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I love my .357 Sig. One of the best purchases I ever made. I spent the extra $150 and got a .40 S&W barrel for it so I can shoot cheaper ammo at the range.

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