Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Google it, could be interesting if the reviews pan out.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Not bowhunting, but definitely interesting.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Not even remotely bow hunting
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
I could definitely see one of those for hunting in more "populated" areas.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
450 FPS but unfortunately they did not mention the arrow weight?
If it's a 400 Plus grain arrow, that's impressive! They look rather short, like 20" or so, that should really reduce flex so with a heavier arrow that thing would be astonishingly powerful!
I see this as a real option for folks in areas with 5 acre lots or urban developments with bigger then " back yards" which have open hunting but closed to firearms.
This thing could really be the ticket to reduce those deer from running 100 yards and dying in somebody's driveway or back yard. If it's 2" at 50 yards, that relates to 1" at 25 from a solid rest this is head shot drop in their tracks worthy.
I travel and hunt by air way to much to pack around a high pressure tank. Those folks that hunt from home on on there own property would be all set with his stated 8 full power shots. Night pig hunting over a feeder would be amazingly fun and functional with this!
If it's a 400 Plus grain arrow, that's impressive! They look rather short, like 20" or so, that should really reduce flex so with a heavier arrow that thing would be astonishingly powerful!
I see this as a real option for folks in areas with 5 acre lots or urban developments with bigger then " back yards" which have open hunting but closed to firearms.
This thing could really be the ticket to reduce those deer from running 100 yards and dying in somebody's driveway or back yard. If it's 2" at 50 yards, that relates to 1" at 25 from a solid rest this is head shot drop in their tracks worthy.
I travel and hunt by air way to much to pack around a high pressure tank. Those folks that hunt from home on on there own property would be all set with his stated 8 full power shots. Night pig hunting over a feeder would be amazingly fun and functional with this!
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
One press release I read stated that it comes with 3 "full sized" 375gr arrows. Did not mention if that was with a broadhead.
http://howldb.com/p/05t3pm
http://howldb.com/p/05t3pm
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
No mention of brand or weight of mechanical broadhead used. Sure looked like a pretty good arc in that arrow/bolt for 450 fps. Great device for out the truck window hunting. I wonder if you have to shoot it to release pressure or can just bleed it off when done hunting. Does it just go "click" if you forget to cock it? Tom
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
I get right on 300 fps out of my Excalibur crossbow with almost 500 gran arrows. I don't consider it bow hunting, but the state of Minnesota does. I shot four with it this fall in precisely the situation JJHack described, a bunch of five acre lots with an overpopulation of deer.
The crossbow is noisy compared to a compound, no question about that. Both are enough to make Bambi jump and both slow enough that at 30 yards Bambi jumping might make you miss or hit the wrong place. 20 yards for them is pretty safe though. This thing at 450 FPS is going to a lot louder than my Excalibur, and not all that much faster that 50 yards is reasonable.
I can hold inch and a half groups with the Excalibur at 50 yards. The arrows I shoot at that range with a field point will penetrate 3/4 inch of exterior plywood and a 2x4 edgewise, leaving a little of the point protruding from the back side. I don't see this as being much different than the Excalibur. But... for a first cut at something like this it looks pretty good and might be fun to play with.
FWIW my pellet gun that I use to shoot varmints around the house is a lot louder than my Excaliber and not so accurate.
The crossbow is noisy compared to a compound, no question about that. Both are enough to make Bambi jump and both slow enough that at 30 yards Bambi jumping might make you miss or hit the wrong place. 20 yards for them is pretty safe though. This thing at 450 FPS is going to a lot louder than my Excalibur, and not all that much faster that 50 yards is reasonable.
I can hold inch and a half groups with the Excalibur at 50 yards. The arrows I shoot at that range with a field point will penetrate 3/4 inch of exterior plywood and a 2x4 edgewise, leaving a little of the point protruding from the back side. I don't see this as being much different than the Excalibur. But... for a first cut at something like this it looks pretty good and might be fun to play with.
FWIW my pellet gun that I use to shoot varmints around the house is a lot louder than my Excaliber and not so accurate.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Not the first air powered arrow launcher. Swivel Machine has offered one for years along with a 10/22 barrel that uses blanks to power the arrow. http://www.swivelmachine.com/html/stealth.htm
Also, FX offers an arrow barrel for their Verminator Extreme http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/the-verminator-mkll-extreme/
Also, FX offers an arrow barrel for their Verminator Extreme http:/
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Funny calling it air bow
No part is a bow, probably should have called it Bow gun, or Air-row rifle something other then using the word "bow" which no part of it is a bow.
Next Shakespeare will be selling fishing rods called laser swords.
No part is a bow, probably should have called it Bow gun, or Air-row rifle something other then using the word "bow" which no part of it is a bow.
Next Shakespeare will be selling fishing rods called laser swords.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
Not even remotely bow hunting
Yep, dang sure not a recurve. Just like modern compounds ain't remotely what bowhunting was.
But somewhere we all draw a line.
This could be cool and fun, but legal for an archery season? Dunno about that.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
When you manually have to draw the string hold it and release weather, compound,recurve or long bow that's what I consider bow hunting
Crossbow is boarder line
That thing is an air rifle
Crossbow is boarder line
That thing is an air rifle
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
I'd say a bow has limbs that thing is a rifle
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
I'd say a bow has limbs that thing is a rifle
I can go with that. A shotgun shooting a flechette load isn't a bow by anyone's definition I know of.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/05/16
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"I am confident using it on North American big game,” says Shockey.
Did you see his smile?! Smells like he got paid a lot of money to smile and say how "shocked" he was as the poor penned bison struggled to get up again....
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Originally Posted by JJHACK
Funny calling it air bow
No part is a bow, probably should have called it Bow gun, or Air-row rifle something other then using the word "bow" which no part of it is a bow.
Next Shakespeare will be selling fishing rods called laser swords.
No part is a bow, probably should have called it Bow gun, or Air-row rifle something other then using the word "bow" which no part of it is a bow.
Next Shakespeare will be selling fishing rods called laser swords.
I agree. It's an air rifle.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
I guess they figured the danger was too great calling it a BLOW gun.
Especially with Shockey doing the PR work...
Especially with Shockey doing the PR work...
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Originally Posted by John_Gregori
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"I am confident using it on North American big game,” says Shockey.
Did you see his smile?! Smells like he got paid a lot of money to smile and say how "shocked" he was as the poor penned bison struggled to get up again.... Yea, it looked about as exciting as shooting a cow in a pasture to me.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
When you manually have to draw the string hold it and release weather, compound,recurve or long bow that's what I consider bow hunting
Crossbow is boarder line
That thing is an air rifle
Crossbow is boarder line
That thing is an air rifle
I was just musing... not pointing fingers. I hate crossbows and compounds once I learned the joy of the recurve. But i still barely can use a compound and use a crossbow a lot due to issues... Don't much care what others think either.
The guns firing arrows have been around for a LONG time.
NOt saying they should be put in archery but just musing how far archery has come.
Elitists would say my recurve isn't traditional either.....
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by John_Gregori
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"I am confident using it on North American big game,” says Shockey.
Did you see his smile?! Smells like he got paid a lot of money to smile and say how "shocked" he was as the poor penned bison struggled to get up again.... Yea, it looked about as exciting as shooting a cow in a pasture to me.
Agreed.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
When you manually have to draw the string hold it and release weather, compound,recurve or long bow that's what I consider bow hunting
Crossbow is boarder line
That thing is an air rifle
Crossbow is boarder line
That thing is an air rifle
I was just musing... not pointing fingers. I hate crossbows and compounds once I learned the joy of the recurve. But i still barely can use a compound and use a crossbow a lot due to issues... Don't much care what others think either.
The guns firing arrows have been around for a LONG time.
NOt saying they should be put in archery but just musing how far archery has come.
Elitists would say my recurve isn't traditional either.....
I don't think this is an extension of how far archery has come because it has nothing to do with archery.
I'm not a crossbow fan but a crossbow DOES have a bow string and limbs as do a recurve, longbow and compound. This air rifle has neither, so it is not archery.
If we get some arrows to fly from a mortar tube, is that "archery"?
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
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I travel and hunt by air way to much to pack around a high pressure tank. Those folks that hunt from home on on there own property would be all set with his stated 8 full power shots. Night pig hunting over a feeder would be amazingly fun and functional with this!
I'm sure you can use a pump- just like the pre-charged air rifles use in lieu of the HP tank. Might take a while to pump up.
Ed Brown made some type of rifle arrow shooter if I recall or maybe it was Brown Precision. Used a charge to shoot an arrow out of a barrel?? Saw them at SHOT one year.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Originally Posted by pointer
One press release I read stated that it comes with 3 "full sized" 375gr arrows. Did not mention if that was with a broadhead.
http://howldb.com/p/05t3pm
http://howldb.com/p/05t3pm
The broadhead:
Rage Krossbow Kore
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/06/16
Seems like an air powered harpoon gun. Might as well launch them with a 12ga blank and be done with it.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
This is what Crossman is pushing
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Based on the Pioneer’s powerplant, we believe it is legal for use in those
seasons in which Air Powered Guns are eligible.
Based on the projectile, comparable performance, range, and superior
safety aspects, we also believe the Pioneer is a suitable alternative for
archery hunters. The language used to define Archery focuses on
minimum force and cutting diameters, both of which this product meets.
We welcome opportunities to work with legislators, wildlife officials and
consumers to secure its approval for use during crossbow and general
archery hunting seasons.
Hands-on demonstrations can be arranged upon request
seasons in which Air Powered Guns are eligible.
Based on the projectile, comparable performance, range, and superior
safety aspects, we also believe the Pioneer is a suitable alternative for
archery hunters. The language used to define Archery focuses on
minimum force and cutting diameters, both of which this product meets.
We welcome opportunities to work with legislators, wildlife officials and
consumers to secure its approval for use during crossbow and general
archery hunting seasons.
Hands-on demonstrations can be arranged upon request
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If you believe there’s room in the woods for something that moves an arrow at 450 FPS, that shoots straighter and is more accurate but isn’t driven by a string, and is safer and easier to operate, then please contact your legislators and wildlife officials. Tell them you want to use the Pioneer Airbow in a crossbow or archery season. Download this informational packet and get it into their hands by email, snail mail or personal delivery. With your help, we can introduce more people to hunting with airguns and with the Airbow, we can bring back those who may have left it.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
They'll sell a bunch of them in states that will allow them as they are in the price range of new, higher end bows.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
TAG!
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
I see one good use for this ....killing walking dead zombies
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
This is what Crossman is pushing
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Based on the Pioneer’s powerplant, we believe it is legal for use in those
seasons in which Air Powered Guns are eligible.
Based on the projectile, comparable performance, range, and superior
safety aspects, we also believe the Pioneer is a suitable alternative for
archery hunters. The language used to define Archery focuses on
minimum force and cutting diameters, both of which this product meets.
We welcome opportunities to work with legislators, wildlife officials and
consumers to secure its approval for use during crossbow and general
archery hunting seasons.
Hands-on demonstrations can be arranged upon request
seasons in which Air Powered Guns are eligible.
Based on the projectile, comparable performance, range, and superior
safety aspects, we also believe the Pioneer is a suitable alternative for
archery hunters. The language used to define Archery focuses on
minimum force and cutting diameters, both of which this product meets.
We welcome opportunities to work with legislators, wildlife officials and
consumers to secure its approval for use during crossbow and general
archery hunting seasons.
Hands-on demonstrations can be arranged upon request
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If you believe there’s room in the woods for something that moves an arrow at 450 FPS, that shoots straighter and is more accurate but isn’t driven by a string, and is safer and easier to operate, then please contact your legislators and wildlife officials. Tell them you want to use the Pioneer Airbow in a crossbow or archery season. Download this informational packet and get it into their hands by email, snail mail or personal delivery. With your help, we can introduce more people to hunting with airguns and with the Airbow, we can bring back those who may have left it.
Bunch of crap. Totally. But then if it were allowed for handicap issues, I'd have zero issue with that. I"ve a soft spot for folks that can't do what we normally can.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
Originally Posted by InternetGuru
Seems like an air powered harpoon gun. Might as well launch them with a 12ga blank and be done with it.
Thats been done back in the 70s around here for grins.....
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
The people replying that it is the same as or might as well as use a firearm cartridge obviously don't get it.
It's a cool invention. It is an air arrow gun. Crossman is in the air gun business. Why would they start using 12 ga. shells?
It's a cool invention. It is an air arrow gun. Crossman is in the air gun business. Why would they start using 12 ga. shells?
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
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Bunch of crap. Totally. But then if it were allowed for handicap issues, I'd have zero issue with that. I"ve a soft spot for folks that can't do what we normally can.
Re: Benjamin air bow - 01/07/16
Originally Posted by MarlinMark
The people replying that it is the same as or might as well as use a firearm cartridge obviously don't get it.
It's a cool invention. It is an air arrow gun. Crossman is in the air gun business. Why would they start using 12 ga. shells?
It's a cool invention. It is an air arrow gun. Crossman is in the air gun business. Why would they start using 12 ga. shells?
No one said that... just musing it could be done, and actually has been done.... I've seen a lot done over the years... shooting deer with a dove load where you cut the shell and tape it back together and it acts like a slug... take most powder out of a shell and put the wad back in and seat an arrow down in the wad adn shoot...