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I chronographed a load that shoots extremely accurate in my Brux 22" barrel 260 Remington.

However, it is supposed to be MUCH faster than the velocity I'm getting and I'm very disappointed.

260 Remington
Nosler 120 Ballistic Tip
45.5 grains H-4350....average velocity is only 2700 FPS?

I have zero pressure signs, but I'm at least 200 FPS slower than expected even with 2" shorter barrel than the test barrel from Nosler.

Do I have a malfunctioning chrono, slow lot of H-4350, or a turtle slow barrel?

Suggestions??
Give us the rest of the load.

Who's brass, what primers?

What's your fired H2O Case volume?
Remington brass
CCI-200 primer
Unknown H20 volume
2.785 OAL
2730 average FPS
Originally Posted by Dixie_Rebel
Remington brass
CCI-200 primer
Unknown H20 volume
2.785 OAL
2730 average FPS


Generally, Rem brass is pretty average for velocities.
CCI 200's are on the slow side.

Your OAL isn't short enough that I'd expect any significant impact.

The fired case volume will tell us if you have a large chamber, but won't tell us much about the rest of the barrel dimensions.
Seems like I recall loading about that much H4350 with 130’s in RP cases with CCI 200’s and making 2820 or so in factory 22” 700 barrels. What’s book max? I’d bump charges and hunt for 2900 or pressure.

Powder wise he's over book.
Pressure wise, I don't think he's there yet:

Code
Cartridge          : .260 Rem
Bullet             : .264, 120, Nosler BalTip 26120
Useable Case Capaci: 47.442 grain H2O = 3.080 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4350 *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.099% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-11.0   95    40.50   2619    1828   43644   9607     92.9    1.236
-09.9   96    41.00   2651    1873   45237   9740     93.5    1.216
-08.8   97    41.50   2684    1919   46885   9870     94.0    1.196
-07.7   98    42.00   2716    1965   48586   9997     94.5    1.176
-06.6   99    42.50   2748    2012   50343  10121     95.0    1.157
-05.5  101    43.00   2780    2060   52164  10241     95.5    1.139  ! Near Maximum !
-04.4  102    43.50   2813    2108   54053  10357     96.0    1.120  ! Near Maximum !
-03.3  103    44.00   2845    2156   56014  10469     96.4    1.102  ! Near Maximum !
-02.2  104    44.50   2877    2205   58049  10578     96.8    1.084  ! Near Maximum !
-01.1  105    45.00   2909    2255   60163  10682     97.2    1.067  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  106    45.50   2941    2305   62358  10782     97.5    1.050  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.1  108    46.00   2974    2356   64638  10877     97.9    1.033  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2  109    46.50   3006    2407   67008  10968     98.2    1.017  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3  110    47.00   3038    2459   69473  11054     98.5    1.001  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.4  111    47.50   3070    2511   72036  11135     98.7    0.985  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.5  112    48.00   3102    2564   74702  11211     99.0    0.970  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Just for reference. In my Savage 260 Rem 22" Bbl, 1/8 twist. Rem brass, CCI #250 mag primer , Barnes 120gr TTSX, 48grs Rel 26 = an even 3100fps. After several loading the primers pockets are still very snug. Not the slightest sign of excess pressure.
I have a Sako 75 in .260 with a 22.5" barrel. With 45.0 gr of IMR 4350, Rem brass, CCI 200 and a 120 BT, I'm getting 2740 fps. It's almost a mirror to what you're seeing. I can say that my factory chamber has a long throat.
The online max for a 120gr, per H, is 46.5gr H4350 for 2,960 in a 24" tube with R-P brass. If it were me, I'd load batches going up to 47gr or so and hunt for 2,900 in the 22" barrel. That shouldn't be out of line, considering variances in throating, bore, bearing surface, etc. But proceed with caution, using a chrono and all that jazz.
What kind of chrono are you using?
Not sure about the OP but I've used a CED M2 and a LabRadar.
Pro Chrono
This is not a BT data recipe but it shows same bullet weight and much higher speeds. From Loaddata.com

120 Speer SP Hodgdon H-4350 43.5 2,814

120 Speer SP Hodgdon H-4350 46.5 2,960
how are you measuring or weighing your charges?
Every round is weighed using my RCBS 505 scale that I've used for many years.
Thanks. That eliminates one thing...
If it was the scale or chrony you'd see similar impacts across other platforms. Since you haven't mentioned that, neither is likely to be the issue.

It's most likely this relates to the chamber, throat, bore diameter.

In other words, keep pouring powder until you velocity get where it belongs, or you see pressure signs.
Try using a 130-class bullet and see what happens. I can get around 3000 fps with several loads, using 129 Interlocks in my .260s. You should get easily over 2900 with a 22-inch barrel. Mine are 24.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
If it was the scale or chrony you'd see similar impacts across other platforms. Since you haven't mentioned that, neither is likely to be the issue.

It's most likely this relates to the chamber, throat, bore diameter.

In other words, keep pouring powder until you velocity get where it belongs, or you see pressure signs.



Yep.... cautiously...
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
If it was the scale or chrony you'd see similar impacts across other platforms. Since you haven't mentioned that, neither is likely to be the issue.

It's most likely this relates to the chamber, throat, bore diameter.

In other words, keep pouring powder until you velocity get where it belongs, or you see pressure signs.


Will do Sniper.👍
Try around 42. grains of Ramshot Big Game
what kind of distance are you shooting at?

is this for hunting, shooting long distance or what?

What I'd look at, is you present load accurate...

do you need that extra 150 to 200 fps real bad?

if hunting game at 200 yds or less, a click or two up in elevation, will compensate for that lost velocity...

have you made a dummy round, to see how long your throat is?
if so, did you think you are seating your bullet too deep in the case?

for some reason, you haven't mistaken a large pistol primer for a large rifle primer....seem it done... being the guilty party...

powder contamination? have a different container of 4350 you could try? to compare with?

do you have 140 grain ballistic tips, mixed in with some 120s in the box... what you are getting are 140 grain speeds with 4350...

since I've had a lot of experience in load bench screw ups... these are some of the things I usually check for...

if it were me, I'd chronograph where I am at and go hunting or go shooting...

sometimes Its not worth the effort, to try and chase down Snafus....
Some barrels are just slow. Had a Browning A-Bolt .30-06 with 22" barrel and a Mauser 3000 .30-06 with a 22" barrel. Same load clocked just over 2900fps in the Browning and just over 2700fps in the Mauser.
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